refilling ink cartridges

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Bob, Dec 6, 2005.

  1. Bob

    Bob Guest

    Hi Group,
    I've finally had it with buying color cartridges for my Canon i550 and
    getting 20 prints or less before having to replace them again. does anyone
    here regularly refill ink cartridges? And can you recommend a good company
    to buy from? Any ideas will be appreciated.
    Bob
     
    Bob, Dec 6, 2005
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    emanon Guest

    In the past, I used InkjetMall.com as good source of inks. I stopped, but
    not because of any quality problems. I just did not use enough ink to
    justify the hassle versus cost saving. I also looked at their continuous
    feed system and came to the same conclusion. I've gone back to factory
    cartridges and am happy.

    I am not familiar with your printer, or what you are printing, so I can't
    really relate to you only getting 20 prints before running on empty. I'm
    using an Epson 2200 and the last time I did a major printing project, I got
    over 100 photos ranging from 4x6 to 8x10 plus 3 14 x 17 before I needed more
    ink. How does your ink usage compare to other Cannon i550 users?
     
    emanon, Dec 6, 2005
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    Jim Hargan Guest

    Never tried refilling. But I've tried 3rd party, ranging from discounters
    to high-end suppliers. Very unhappy with all of them.

    My suggestion. Send ALL of your casual printing to a laser jet -- you'll
    make up that extra $150 purchase price in 8 weeks. Use your ink jet only
    for important stuff where you really need color and are willing to pay for
    it. (But be sure to send something to your ink jet once a week just to keep
    air out of the tubes.)

    Jim Hargan
     
    Jim Hargan, Dec 6, 2005
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    Jim Hargan Guest

    I meant to mention that laser jets can be very long lived. I am still using
    an HP Laserjet 4L I purchased in 1994! And this was a cheap, low-end
    personal model. My experience doesn't seem to be unique either; replacement
    cartridges are still easy to find after 11 years!

    Jh
     
    Jim Hargan, Dec 6, 2005
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    RicSeyler Guest

    Casual printing, yes I agree with that, more economical.
    But to sell "originals" to customers gotta go with InkJet.
    Catching the glare off of Laser prints and the black disappears
    and you can see heights of the layers of toner...

    I have been using 88inkjet.com for discount cartridges (Epson C80, Epson
    1280, Epson Stylus 3000)
    and get good color matching, but I do get a lot of half full cartridges.
    DON'T GET Office Depot
    branded cartridges, terrible color matching. Unusable for selling a print.
    I haven't tried the Refill Route... I do know you have to get a
    "cartridge resetter" to do refilling.
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    Jim Hargan Guest

    Absolutely. If you are making money off it, pull out all the stops. Best
    ink, best paper, plus a test print or three. Your fee will cover the costs.

    Otherwise use laser jet. In fact, use b&w laserjet. Set up two printer
    drivers to the same physical printer, one configured to economy mode and
    the other to high quality, and make the economy mode one your default.

    Do this and you won't have to worry about cheap ink or refilling
    cartridges. Your expensive inkjet prints will generate income, and your
    other print jobs will come in around two a penny.

    Jh
     
    Jim Hargan, Dec 6, 2005
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    KatWoman Guest

    I agree, the off brand cartridges are too risky in quality and color
    variation.
    I always use Epson, (if you don't the warranty is voided) I have switched to
    Ilford paper though and am happy with the results and it is cheaper than the
    Epson choices for the same sizes.
    I always have messups in printing, and allow for it by charging a fair
    amount for a print, knowing ahead of time I may have to make 1-3 prints
    before I am satisfied.
    It was no different in the old BW darkroom, test strips aside there were
    always those prints that needed several tries before you got the perfect
    one.
    if you hate printing I recommend out sourcing that part of the job to a
    commercial lab, they often have better quality printers than you can afford
    and only charge for "good" ones.
    I figure that my costs including wasted paper and ink maybe as much as $5.00
    or as little as $1.00. So I charge $15.00 for an 8x10 that more than covers
    it.
    If you have Epson and print rarely ALWAYS use the nozzle clean utility
    before printing on good paper!! the jets clog up if you don't print every
    day.
    I also keep the printer covered when not in use due to dust and cat hair,
    this reduces errors too.
     
    KatWoman, Dec 6, 2005
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    kctan Guest

    I used once on my old Epson printer. Original set (b&w and colors) cost
    approx.US$30 but I paid US$15 for each refill. After 5 refills, I saved $75
    but the printer head got clotted due to the refills. Repair cost $80. Wasted
    all the efforts.
     
    kctan, Dec 6, 2005
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    RicSeyler Guest

    Dang Kattie...... I'm selling 8x10 for 3 bucks.... (epson premium
    glossy) arrgh
    Gotta see if I can find what the market bears around here...
    And $20 will get you blemishes and stray hairs, etc fixed.
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    RicSeyler, Dec 6, 2005
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    JeB Guest

    I presume you are doing large prints as ink cart life on the S520 I
    had was good ... until the printhead died. I've used a refill kit
    from Costco that works well enough if you don't mind the mess and
    make sure you seal the cart ... else it leaks. There are other
    brands of carts available for the printer, often at about 1/4 the
    cost of Canon carts purchased locally ... but you end up buying a
    couple of full sets of carts to get a good price. eg: a quick browse
    show a set including 4 black and and 2 of each color for $34.
    The refill kit from Costco was less than $15 as i recall and I'd
    guess there was enough there to refill black a dozen times and the
    colors at least half a dozen times each.
     
    JeB, Dec 7, 2005
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    Scruff Guest

    Scruff, Dec 7, 2005
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  12. Bob

    Scruff Guest

    You charge the customer for your mistakes or bad equipment?
     
    Scruff, Dec 7, 2005
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    Larry Bud Guest

    Absolutely:

    www.inksupply.com

    I don't know anything about Canon's, but most likely you need a "chip
    resetter". This resets the cartridge to tell the printer that it is
    full.
     
    Larry Bud, Dec 7, 2005
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    Bob Guest

    Well thanks to all for your replies. I failed to mention up front that I am
    not a professional, but a student/hobbyist.
    So, I think I'll try the refilling route.
     
    Bob, Dec 8, 2005
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    JeB Guest

    The Canon carts don't have a counter chip that requires a reset like
    Epson. They are easy to fill BUT you have to make sure they're
    sealed or they leak which isn't pretty. You have to be on a pretty
    tight budget or use a lot of ink to want to refill these days as the
    carts are often in the under $3 range.
     
    JeB, Dec 22, 2005
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    KatWoman Guest

    I charge $50 an hour for retouching, most pics only need half hour so it's
    $25.00 to retouch it and save in various file formats and then I also charge
    them for the CD ($10-15) and if they want prints.(9x12 on 11x17 is $20.00) I
    am lucky to have loyal clients, people of good taste who want it good and
    quality, not cheap and fast.
    I give them the option to take the unretouched digital files to any other
    printer too, so no one is forcing them to order from me. The local laser
    shops do a quite decent job for a lot less but my clients want me after I
    show them examples of my work and prints.
    We used to sell hand made BW fiber based prints for similar prices with hand
    etching/scraping silver off retouching which is quite labor intensive, so a
    lot of my customers were used to paying for custom work.
    After I realized how much time it takes to make really nice prints and the
    costs involved, not to mention the knowledge required and resizing and
    saving for file formats and sizing for print and web, making CD's, making
    2-3 prints to get a nice one, I try to make it worthwhile.
    I think $3.00 is way too cheap. if clients spend good money for decent well
    lit photos they should be willing to go the extra cost and get the best
    prints. If people want cheap proof prints they can get them at any Wal-Mart,
    but they have to realize that a machine will be deciding what they look
    like. I cannot compete with prices like that and would not try to.
    I think at $3.00 you are working for free or worse losing money on it.


    Dang Kattie...... I'm selling 8x10 for 3 bucks.... (epson premium glossy)
    arrgh
    Gotta see if I can find what the market bears around here...
    And $20 will get you blemishes and stray hairs, etc fixed.

    KatWoman wrote:


    On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:40:33 -0600, RicSeyler wrote:


    Casual printing, yes I agree with that, more economical.
    But to sell "originals" to customers gotta go with InkJet.

    Absolutely. If you are making money off it, pull out all the stops. Best
    ink, best paper, plus a test print or three. Your fee will cover the
    costs.

    Otherwise use laser jet. In fact, use b&w laserjet. Set up two printer
    drivers to the same physical printer, one configured to economy mode and
    the other to high quality, and make the economy mode one your default.

    Do this and you won't have to worry about cheap ink or refilling
    cartridges. Your expensive inkjet prints will generate income, and your
    other print jobs will come in around two a penny.

    Jh


    I agree, the off brand cartridges are too risky in quality and color
    variation.
    I always use Epson, (if you don't the warranty is voided) I have switched to
    Ilford paper though and am happy with the results and it is cheaper than the
    Epson choices for the same sizes.
    I always have messups in printing, and allow for it by charging a fair
    amount for a print, knowing ahead of time I may have to make 1-3 prints
    before I am satisfied.
    It was no different in the old BW darkroom, test strips aside there were
    always those prints that needed several tries before you got the perfect
    one.
    if you hate printing I recommend out sourcing that part of the job to a
    commercial lab, they often have better quality printers than you can afford
    and only charge for "good" ones.
    I figure that my costs including wasted paper and ink maybe as much as $5.00
    or as little as $1.00. So I charge $15.00 for an 8x10 that more than covers
    it.
    If you have Epson and print rarely ALWAYS use the nozzle clean utility
    before printing on good paper!! the jets clog up if you don't print every
    day.
    I also keep the printer covered when not in use due to dust and cat hair,
    this reduces errors too.





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    KatWoman, Dec 25, 2005
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