Region 1 to 2 & PAL the new 10-hour Panasonic DVD-LS93 Costco DVD player?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by windytheweather03, Aug 8, 2005.

  1. windytheweather03

    The Real Bev Guest

    So how well do you speak Japanese? Perhaps the japanese words for 'rule' and
    'law' are the same...

    "Calling someone an asshole for being rude to a telemarketer
    is like accusing someone who's shot a burglar in his home
    of being a poor host." -- W.S.Rowell
    The Real Bev, Aug 9, 2005
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  2. windytheweather03

    jayembee Guest

    So name one country in which region-coding has the force of law.
    And be specific about what the exact law is that makes region-coding a
    legal requirement.

    Region-coding was a business agreement between the DVD Consortium and
    the studios.
    I didn't say it was. It's the only one that's relevant to the issue of
    region-coding, however.

    -- jayembee
    jayembee, Aug 9, 2005
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  3. windytheweather03

    jayembee Guest

    No, primarily it was about protecting distribution rights in different parts of
    the world. Two examples:

    (1) When Cameron started going way over budget with TITANIC, Fox
    sold the North American distribution rights to Paramount. It was in both
    companies' interests to issue the DVDs with region-coding so that
    people within Paramount's distribution market wouldn't buy the Fox DVD
    from elsewhere, and people within Fox's market wouldn't buy the Paramount

    (2) A company owning a film might want to sell the rights to different companies
    in different parts of the world. When Criterion first released SEVEN SAMURAI on
    DVD, it was issued without region-coding. Toho complained, saying that Criterion
    didn't pay them for world rights, only North American rights, so Criterion had
    to re-issue it coded as Region 1 only. It makes sense from Toho's perspective,
    because a hypothetical European label might not want to pay as much for the
    Region 2 rights if they know that their customers could purchase a Criterion
    copy instead.

    -- jayembee
    jayembee, Aug 9, 2005
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    Rod Speed Guest

    Like I said, those that have the DMCA stuff in their copyright law.
    The anti circumvention provisions in their DMCA sections of their copyright law.
    Irrelevant to whether it is NOW covered by the DMCA stuff in their
    copyright law which certainly came after the use of region coding.
    I didnt say you did.
    Not that 'write software' claim you made.

    Thats not the only approach to circumvention that is
    proscribed under the DMCA stuff in the copyright law.
    Rod Speed, Aug 9, 2005
  5. Well. That is certainly a convincing argument.
    Thanks for the insight.
    Richard Crowley, Aug 9, 2005
  6. windytheweather03

    Rod Speed Guest

    That wasnt the original intended use of region coding.
    Thats the real reason for region coding.
    Rod Speed, Aug 9, 2005
  7. windytheweather03

    Rod Speed Guest

    Yours in spades.
    No thanks for that pathetic excuse for bullshit.
    Rod Speed, Aug 9, 2005
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    Joshua Zyber Guest

    Such a powerful argument. Are you a lawyer?
    Joshua Zyber, Aug 9, 2005
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    SMS Guest

    There were two reasons given by the studios, though both were about
    distribution, and neither was actually the real reason.

    They were releasing the DVDs in some countries while the movie was still
    in theaters in other countries. They wanted to avoid damaging ticket
    sales. The second reason was as you stated.

    The real reason is so they can charge more for DVDs in some countries
    than others, and avoid a gray market scenario. Unlike Levi Strauss, who
    can't prevent their clothes from fitting consumers in other countries,
    the studios could prevent their DVDs from working in other countries, at
    least for the most part.

    Note that there is another layer or protection, RCE, which will prevent
    some Region 1 DVDs from playing even on DVD players which have region
    coding disabled.

    And of course many DVD players sold in NTSC countries, will not play PAL
    DVDs, and vice-versa. Not an issue in the U.S. where very few people buy
    multi-system TVs, or scan converters, but a big deal in some other areas
    of the world.

    Thankfully, some manufacturers have made it easy to disable both region
    coding as well as the PAL/NTSC switching, and some have made it easy to
    turn off Macrovision as well.
    SMS, Aug 9, 2005
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    Adrian Guest

    You really are an ignorant little **** aren't you.

    Adrian, Aug 9, 2005
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    Richard Guest

    Well you must mean Panasonic USA law. Because here in
    Europe almost every Panasonic dealer know that if he cannot
    remove the "region lock" from the Dvd player he sells, he won't
    sell many. And so, almost every Panasonic dealer here in
    Europe sell "region unlocked" Dvd Player.

    And the Panasonic european distributors also knows that fact
    very well. So guess where the Panasonic dealers find
    the "how to" to unlock the dvd players they sell ?
    Richard, Aug 9, 2005
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    SMS Guest

    They are not hard to unlock, but unlike models from other manufacturers,
    they can't be unlocked by the consumer via a secret combination of
    presses of certain keys of the remote. A dealer will have no trouble
    unlocking them.
    The manufacturers don't like the region coding any more than the
    consumers do, but they have to do it. This doesn't mean that they have
    to make it hard to defeat.
    SMS, Aug 9, 2005
  13. Region coding came about because of the importing of LPs and CDs
    from overseas to be sold in the US. A great many of these were NOT
    available in the US, but there were US companies that had
    distribution rights for these titles in NA.

    So to combat importing of DVDs from other countries the regional
    coding was implemented. As you can see by the many ways you can
    circument this it did not work out the way the movie companies had

    There is also the legacy licensing of films so that different
    companies have the rights to distribute them in their own countries
    - all of the licensing brings in $$$$$$$s to the industry - so
    the ability to import and sell a DVD from anywhere was another
    reason for this. It's all about the money.

    Bill Vermillion, Aug 9, 2005
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    jayembee Guest

    All very vague. Can you even *attempt* to specify what sections of the DMCA make
    circumventing region-coding a crime?
    How about you actual provide some specifics?

    -- jayembee
    jayembee, Aug 9, 2005
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    jayembee Guest

    The only reason they agreed to do it in the first place was because the studios
    insisted that without it, they wouldn't provide any content to be played on the
    players. Of course now that DVDs are pretty much the bread-and-butter of the
    movie industry, it would be interesting to see the player manufacturers decide,
    en masse, to stop coding the players. Somehow, I doubt that the studios would
    just decide to stop making DVDs -- they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

    -- jayembee
    jayembee, Aug 9, 2005
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    Tumbleweed Guest

    are you sure it wasnt about maximising the ability to sell DVD's at maximum
    price in each country, rather than being reduced to the the lowest price
    (usually USA or far East?)
    Tumbleweed, Aug 9, 2005
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    George Guest

    This "catch all" section would cover it:

    Sec. 1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems

    MEASURES- (1)(A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that
    effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. The
    prohibition contained in the preceding sentence shall take effect at the
    end of the 2-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this

    Since the region codes were designed to limit access to a work
    circumventing them would fall directly under 1201 (a) (1) (A)
    George, Aug 9, 2005
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    Rod Speed Guest

    Nope. Even you should be able to find the anti circumvention provisions.
    Didnt say it was a crime, JUST that circumvention is ILLEGAL.
    Even you should be able to find the anti circumvention provisions.
    Rod Speed, Aug 9, 2005
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    Rod Speed Guest

    Varys with the manufacturer, some have a real
    financial interest in the success of region coding.
    No they dont.
    And plenty of the lower end manufacturers
    dont even bother including it at all anymore.
    Rod Speed, Aug 9, 2005
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    David Chien Guest

    Do not change region in Panasonic DVD players!
    Leave it to the unimaginative to think this way - LOL.

    The easiest way is to find a working unlock for the player. and have links to many such for
    various players, but some brands just don't have as much work done to
    unlock them (eg. Pioneer players, too).

    The forums are good for asking those who do understand firmware at a
    low level to see if they're willing to work on the player for you, too.
    sometimes, this will help.
    David Chien, Aug 9, 2005
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