Region 1 to 2 & PAL the new 10-hour Panasonic DVD-LS93 Costco DVD player?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by windytheweather03, Aug 8, 2005.

  1. windytheweather03

    Rod Speed Guest

    They dont need to do it en masse, just stop bothering with region coding.

    And that is precisely what many of the lower end players do.

    The studios get to like it or lump it.
    And once region free becomes common, the
    majors wont have any choice but to provide some
    mechanism to compete in quite a few markets.

    Three guesses if they will be stupid enough to ignore those markets ?
    Rod Speed, Aug 9, 2005
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  2. windytheweather03

    Shawn Hirn Guest

    I am no expert in such things, but wouldn't Section 1201.a cover that
    issue? This says in part, that "No person shall circumvent a
    technological measure that effectively controls access to a work
    protected under this title." The again, the fair use part of Section
    1201 may give people legal justification to monkey with regionalization.
    I guess this is really a question for the federal courts, not the court
    of Usenet opinion.
    Shawn Hirn, Aug 9, 2005
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  3. On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:34:31 -0400, Shawn Hirn wrote:
    What I'd love to know, based on the OP's original intent, is what happens
    if he/she DOES succeed in eliminating the region code 1 designation of the
    Panasonic portable DVD player?

    Can the OP's friends/relatives now play PAL DVDs on that player?

    I would think not but I see a prior post which alludes to that fact.

    Since PAL is supposedly downward compatible, shouldn't PAL videos now play
    on the original NTSC region 1 player (once the region is converted to
    region 2)?

    Please explain so we all learn,
    T. K. Edwards, Aug 10, 2005
  4. windytheweather03

    Rod Speed Guest

    Varys with the player's capability and what TV is used.
    Yes, some players can do that.
    No its not.
    See above.
    Some players can play both PAL and NTSC DVDs.

    Some can convert between formats too so what
    you can play is independant of the TV used.

    Others need a multiformat TV.
    Rod Speed, Aug 10, 2005
  5. I googled and lycosed and didn't find any codes for the search:
    "panasonic dvd-ls90 region code"

    As I have the same costco player, do you know of better search terms?

    There must be a manual way to change the region code on this costco
    portable panasonic dvd-ls93 dvd player since there are people who sell a
    fifty dollar remote that will do the job automatically for you.

    Your answer will help many,
    T. K. Edwards, Aug 10, 2005
  6. Huh?

    I appreciate the help - but where is a TV involved?
    These are portable DVD players!

    Of course, they COULD hook to a TV but that entirely defeats the use model
    of being a portable DVD player in the first place.

    Since no TV is involved, the only "display" is that of the DVD player.
    I thought PAL (being of a higher frequency and being based on NTSC in the
    first place) could "drop down" (so to speak) to the NTSC standard so as to
    play on the portable DVD player TFT display.

    This should help others to understand, in addition to myself,
    T. K. Edwards, Aug 10, 2005
  7. windytheweather03

    jayembee Guest

    If the player can be programmed via the remote to change region-coding, that's
    a feature of the player, regardless of whether the manufacturer advertises it or
    not. That's not circumventing anything, as the manufacturer is providing the
    user with the tools to remove or change the region coding.

    -- jayembee
    jayembee, Aug 10, 2005
  8. windytheweather03

    SMS Guest

    You're correct. If the DVD player can be modified to play region 2 DVDs
    then most likely if can be modifed to play PAL DVDs on the diplay.
    SMS, Aug 10, 2005
  9. windytheweather03

    SMS Guest

    They are selling the knowledge of how to change the codes, not the $50

    If you could find the codes, you could program a universal remote, or
    something like a Handspring PDA with a Springboard Consumer Remote
    module, to transmit the same codes.
    SMS, Aug 10, 2005
  10. windytheweather03

    Rod Speed Guest


    Separate issue entirely to your original pig ignorant claim that
    'region-coding has no legal force anywhere in the world', most
    obviously when the player cant change the region that way.
    Rod Speed, Aug 10, 2005
  11. windytheweather03

    Rod Speed Guest

    OK, I assumed you were asking a general question,
    not one restricted to just portable DVD players.
    There's much more involved than just the frequency and
    in fact the frame rate is actually lower with PAL than NTSC.
    No it isnt, the format is completely different on the detail.
    It is in fact much more complicated than that and that is why
    you do have multistandard TVs, because it aint that simple.
    Rod Speed, Aug 10, 2005
  12. windytheweather03

    Rod Speed Guest

    panasonic ls90 is worth trying, but doesnt help on region coding.
    Doesnt mean that there has to be a manual way, that is entirely
    up to the designer if they just allowed it to be done via the remote.
    Rod Speed, Aug 10, 2005
  13. windytheweather03

    Jeff Guy Guest

    This is all very confusing to understand - maybe 'cus I'm in the United
    States of America where we have plenty of region 1 DVDs and region 1
    players so we don't need no stinkin' region code changes ... ;)

    What is confusing to me is what good would a 50-dollar region 1 to region 2
    remote code changer be for this Panasonic ls93 portable dvd player if the
    remote change didn't also allow PAL playback?

    Wouldn't it be senseless to change the region but not the playback format?
    Jeff Guy, Aug 10, 2005
  14. windytheweather03

    Invid Fan Guest

    Depends on what you want to watch. Japan is region 2 and NTSC, so if
    you want to import anime you don't need to worry about converting PAL.
    Invid Fan, Aug 11, 2005
  15. windytheweather03

    Cesare Cioni Guest

    That aint the only circumvention that is illegal under
    DMCA is not a worldwide law. There is no such thing.
    It is an American law, reprised in some (not all) copyright laws in
    other countries.

    Cesare Cioni, Aug 11, 2005
  16. windytheweather03

    Cesare Cioni Guest

    Not really.
    "Laura", "Singin'in the Rain", "Gone with the Wind"... it is used in
    many DVDs of old movies, and even when they are released worldwide on
    the same date.

    It's only about pricing. As such, it is still under scrutiny by the EU
    (I verified recently), and it might be declared illegal in Europe.


    Cesare Cioni, Aug 11, 2005
  17. windytheweather03

    Cesare Cioni Guest

    True, but it was the other way 'round. The labels were pissed off that
    European consumers were buying CDs from the US, where the same,
    identical titles cost substantialy less (even if many of them were
    actually manufactured in Europe!)

    Cesare Cioni, Aug 11, 2005
  18. windytheweather03

    Cesare Cioni Guest

    And in any case, as Regional Coding can be easily circumvented by buying
    two different players set to two different regions (and by now it does
    not cost much, either), it makes no sense whatsoever.

    Cesare Cioni, Aug 11, 2005
  19. windytheweather03

    Rod Speed Guest

    Never said it was.
    Never said there was.

    All it needs is some other countrys that do make circumvention
    illegal in their copyright law to make his original claim that
    'region-coding has no legal force anywhere in the world'
    just plain wrong.
    Rod Speed, Aug 11, 2005
  20. windytheweather03

    Rod Speed Guest

    And quite a few country made it illegal for retaillers to import
    the cheapest legal copys they could find and resell them.

    Region coding was essentially an attempt to electronically
    enforce that restriction, which never did work very well at all.
    Rod Speed, Aug 11, 2005
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