Region 1 to 2 & PAL the new 10-hour Panasonic DVD-LS93 Costco DVD player?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by windytheweather03, Aug 8, 2005.

  1. Is that right? Any links available to related info?
    un fake di Alberto, Aug 11, 2005
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  2. Actually, it's cheaper to simply buy a single code-free player. Most
    of these will also do PAL/NTSC conversions in both directions. Some
    will even play Divx, XviD, Mpeg4 and various other 'computer' formats.

    Anthony Matonak, Aug 11, 2005
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  3. windytheweather03

    Barry Kelman Guest

    Japan is Region 2 and NTSC format.

    Barry Kelman, Aug 11, 2005
  4. windytheweather03

    Richard Guest

    DMCA is an american law. The rest of the world do not even
    knows what DMCA is and could not care less.
    Richard, Aug 11, 2005
  5. windytheweather03

    Cesare Cioni Guest

    I do not have a link... but i am one of those who denounced this
    practice, and I personally went to Brussels to talk with the person in
    charge of this. They had to slow down the investigation because of the
    Microsoft case, but they are still working on it.
    (and I provided them with plenty of examples of movies that are too old
    to be exploited in theaters, were distributed worldwide by the same
    company at the same time, and still have regional coding).

    Cesare Cioni, Aug 11, 2005
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    Rod Speed Guest

    Most of the first world has similar provisions in their copyright law.
    Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
    that you've never ever actually had a clue.
    Rod Speed, Aug 11, 2005
  7. windytheweather03

    Cesare Cioni Guest

    Similar, but not identical. Which means that what is illegal in the US
    might be perfectly legal elsewhere. For example, copyright expires
    earlier in most European countries than in the US.

    And vice-versa, of course: many countries do not have a "fair use"
    provisio similar to the US one.

    As region protection is a way of controlling the use of copyrighted
    works, but not an anti-piracy measure like Macrovision, it is not
    covered in many legislations aimed at preventing copyright theft.
    As it is for books: in Italy it is illegal to make a photocopy of a
    book, but not to import or read one from overseas.

    When I wrote to the EU authority, this was my point: regional coding
    prevents e from accessing content of a disc that I have bought legally,
    with good money, from the US, for personal use (so I did not violate any
    distribution agreement); and tries to preventing me from selecting the
    cheapest source for my purchases (as all industries do, including the
    movie industry does when it fims in Europe or Australia instead of
    Hollywood), basically imposing to European customers higher price for
    the same product (which is illegal under most trade agreements and local

    The point was taken and that's why they started the investigation and I
    was interviewed in Brussels.
    Do not forget that the goal of copyright law, as most laws, is NOT to
    protect the rights a party, but to insure an appropriate balance between
    their rights and those of the others. There is also something about it
    in the US Constitution, btw.

    Cesare Cioni, Aug 11, 2005
  8. windytheweather03

    Rod Speed Guest

    You dont ever see identical law in any area thruout the first world.
    And the reverse is true too, what is legal in the US isnt
    always legal elsewhere, most obviously currently with
    the right to copy media that you own to different media.

    In much of 'elsewhere', ipods and other mp3 players
    arent legal with music that you have purchased.
    No news.
    Thats just plain wrong. Those anti circumvention proscriptions
    are now very common in first world copyright law.
    Yes, that is a rather silly omission. But
    then italian law is riddled with stupiditys.
    No it doesnt. You are welcome to have two players, one for
    each region you choose to buy from. You are also welcome
    to buy a region free player too. I chose to do that.
    The reality is that it just makes it a little harder.
    No it isnt with regional licensing.
    And they clearly didnt see that it was a compelling
    enough argument to do anything about quickly.

    Completely academic anyway with
    region free players so trivially available.
    Nope, nothing that has any relevance to copyright law.
    Rod Speed, Aug 11, 2005
  9. windytheweather03

    Cesare Cioni Guest

    Article 1, section 8.
    The Congress shall have power ... to promote the progress of science and
    useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the
    exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

    Note the word "limited".

    I hope you are not a US citizen, as you seem to know it less than a
    foreigner like me...!

    Cesare Cioni, Aug 11, 2005
  10. Cesare Cioni wrote:

    Just to nitpick a little, even though the constitution may say "limited"
    this has been stretched (by copyright law changes) to nearly unlimited.
    Some things, like Peter Pan, are unlimited and others are only good for
    around 150 or so years, with the option of rewriting the laws before
    (or after) these expire.

    Anthony Matonak, Aug 12, 2005
  11. windytheweather03

    Cesare Cioni Guest

    You are right, of course, as the big industry is rewriting laws as they
    see fit. The lenght of copyright was prolonged to make sure Mickey Mouse
    did not fall into public domain (I swear!). Luckily, not all European
    counries are willing to align with the US on this.

    Cesare Cioni, Aug 12, 2005
  12. What confuses ME is how can Japan and France be in the same REGION?

    What is common about those two countries with respect to DVD
    Sondra R. Wilson, Aug 12, 2005
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    SMS Guest

    Unless you are Disney and simply get the "limit" extended if original
    limit is about to expire.
    You're talking about a poster who is the least informed poster that
    we've seen on Usenet in a _long_ time. It's amazing to see the range of
    issues about which he has absolutely no clue.
    SMS, Aug 12, 2005
  14. windytheweather03

    SMS Guest

    DVD players with region codes are illegal in New Zealand, and other
    countries are looking into making them illegal as well.

    Also, beware of RCE (Region Code Enhancement) which prevents region 1
    DVDs from playing on Region-Free DVD players (but not on multi-region
    players where you change the region with the remote).
    SMS, Aug 12, 2005
  15. windytheweather03

    Rod Speed Guest

    How odd that he's done you like a dinner
    on every single claim you have made.

    Obviously still desperately licking those wounds, child.
    Rod Speed, Aug 12, 2005
  16. windytheweather03

    Rod Speed Guest

    **** all are, actually.
    Rod Speed, Aug 12, 2005
  17. windytheweather03

    SMS Guest

    This is the key point. Region coding is a marketing tool, not a
    copyright tool. It was created by the entertainment industry solely to
    control distribution, both in terms of protecting theaters due to
    different release dates of movies in different countries, and to protect
    DVD distributors because different distributors have distribution rights
    in different countries.

    It's very similar to grey market merchandise, except that the
    manufacturers of cameras, bicycles, blue jeans, and cosmetics have no
    technical way to prevent their use in a country other than the one where
    they were intended to be marketed (other than refusing warranty service
    on stuff like cameras and bicycles).

    The DVD player manufacturers hate it, but they must comply with region
    coding to be CSS licensed, it isn't a matter of the legality. But
    nothing governs how easy or difficult it has to be to defeat region
    coding (or Macrovision for that matter). It's rather ironic that it's
    the second and third tier makers of DVD players that have made it the
    easiest to defeat region coding and Macrovision. I worked for a company
    that manufactured DVD player chips, and we knew exactly how each
    manufacturer that used our chips implemented the region coding and
    Macrovision protection. We had only top-tier customers, and they did not
    make either region coding or Macrovision easy to defeat by the end user.

    The biggest pain in the butt is now RCE, since a region-free player
    won't play these DVDs, so you're stuck with a player where you have to
    go through the hassle of changing the region every time you want to play
    discs from different regions.
    SMS, Aug 12, 2005
  18. windytheweather03

    Adrian Guest

    SMS wrote:
    I don't really understand this, I have 3 region-free players, none of
    them have any problem with RCE discs.
    Adrian, Aug 12, 2005
  19. windytheweather03

    SMS Guest

    They are supposed to have this problem, not clear why they don't. Maybe
    Region Free is implemented differently on different players, i.e. maybe
    some simply ignore the region code, while some automatically switch to
    the proper region.
    SMS, Aug 13, 2005
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