Ricoh Caplio R3 and R4

Discussion in 'Ricoh' started by Joan, Jul 2, 2006.

  1. Joan

    Joan Guest

    A friend is convinced that the R3 or R4 is the camera she should buy.
    She hasn't seen the results from either. It's not my of way of making
    decisions.

    However, I just can't find any reviews of these two models.

    Does anyone have experience of either of them?
     
    Joan, Jul 2, 2006
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  2. Joan

    Galaxy Guest

    Hi Joan

    I've just bought an R4. It's a bit early yet to be able to tell you how
    good it is, but in my researching I found no other camera like it. I
    read lots of reviews....here are links to some of them.

    http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/camera/user_review/ricoh_caplio_r4/show.html
    http://www.ephotozine.com/equipment/tests/testdetail.cfm?test_id=433
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022302ricohr4.asp

    To find more, just search Ricoh caplio R3 or R4. These reviews seem to
    mostly be uk or usa based, couldn't find any here in
    Australia...probably because it's quite new here. I found a guy who
    services them, who said he'd only had a couple in for repair....only
    because they'd been dropped. Pretty good, considering he said they sell
    lots, but it is still early days as the camera's still new.

    Hope this helps.

    Karyn
     
    Galaxy, Jul 2, 2006
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  3. Joan

    Rob Guest

    The problems with Ricoh are:

    have some and thet are showing problems which Ricoh Australia refuse to
    repair saying its wear and tear. -- be carful with this one

    The screen on another has dead pixels - Ricoh will not repair this either.

    The problem is taking photos at night or dark space - many other cameras
    perform heaps better and the Kodak cameras at half the price are better.

    problems with the auto focus as well - pictures unsharp.

    there are quite a few build problems with Ricoh.


    Although I have been keen on the Ricoh specs will never buy another.

    They have very limited in resources only a couple of produces to sell -
    should have gone with what others have mentioned buy a Canon or Nikon.
     
    Rob, Jul 2, 2006
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  4. Joan

    Joan Guest

    The pocket Nikons don't have viewfinders either and I haven't seen
    another pocket camera with the same wide to tele lens as the Ricoh R3
    and R4. Most of them start at 35mm equivalent and only go to around
    100mm.

    --
    Joan
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly

    : Joan wrote:
    : > A friend is convinced that the R3 or R4 is the camera she should
    buy.
    : > She hasn't seen the results from either. It's not my of way of
    making
    : > decisions.
    : >
    : > However, I just can't find any reviews of these two models.
    : >
    : > Does anyone have experience of either of them?
    : >
    :
    : The problems with Ricoh are:
    :
    : have some and thet are showing problems which Ricoh Australia refuse
    to
    : repair saying its wear and tear. -- be carful with this one
    :
    : The screen on another has dead pixels - Ricoh will not repair this
    either.
    :
    : The problem is taking photos at night or dark space - many other
    cameras
    : perform heaps better and the Kodak cameras at half the price are
    better.
    :
    : problems with the auto focus as well - pictures unsharp.
    :
    : there are quite a few build problems with Ricoh.
    :
    :
    : Although I have been keen on the Ricoh specs will never buy another.
    :
    : They have very limited in resources only a couple of produces to
    sell -
    : should have gone with what others have mentioned buy a Canon or
    Nikon.
     
    Joan, Jul 2, 2006
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  5. Joan

    cmyk Guest

    Rob,

    Which particular Ricohs are you referring to? Obviously not the Caplio R4,
    since it's only been out since February '06, and probably not the R3 either,
    which only came out in September '05. For the R4, especially, that's not
    long enough for any such pattern to emerge. Your claims about the image
    quality also don't stack up against the general run of the R3 & R4 reviews.

    Sounds like you've had a problem Ricoh believes is due to wear and tear, so
    you've decided to bad-mouth all Ricoh's because of that.

    --
     
    cmyk, Jul 3, 2006
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  6. Joan

    Rob Guest


    Two R3 were bought August last year and the problem still exists with
    these. - its in the lens retraction mechanics.


    Also as I have also mentioned the flash fill night shots are not good
    either even with the R4.

    Did you say cheap overpriced cameras - Ricoh.
     
    Rob, Jul 3, 2006
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  7. Joan

    kosh Guest


    printed some piccies.. nice results!

    kosh
     
    kosh, Jul 3, 2006
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  8. Just curious, why did you buy 2? And do you mean to tell us that,
    despite me not being able to find a single similar report anywhere on
    the web, yours both failed in the same way and in the same time
    frame??? And that despite still being under warranty, you haven't been
    able to get them fixed/replaced? Maybe you need a friend who can yell
    louder, or who knows where the consumer affairs people live..

    Can you point to any supporting data, or explain this seemingly
    extraordinary coincidence?
    Can you be a little more specific? 'not good'...???? Do you mean
    underexposed/overexposed background/foreground? What mode - auto or
    slow-synch?, did you use exposure compensation, can you dial the flash
    down?


    FWIW, the commenrts I have seen on this camera indicate the lens is
    fair to good - given its range and the way it extends, it sounds like a
    rather amazing design, and one would expect at least some compromises
    in image quality - some reviews indicate the images are a bit soft.
    Early R3's also apparently had very noisy sensors - and even if they
    have improved dramatically, the image quality is apparently not *quite*
    up there with the other makers of similar res cameras.

    But having said all that, I've owned several older Ricoh SLR cameras,
    and they were reliable and solid cameras, very reasonably priced. I
    now keep a tiny Ricoh RR430 digital with me when I don't want to lug a
    big camera. Despite being a dirt cheap 4Mp 3x P&S, it is a very
    capable little performer with a superb lens. Ricoh may not be known
    for the best sensors, but their lens designs are *generally* pretty
    good, their ease of use is high, they do some very clever stuff (eg I
    think some of their high end p&s cameras have the lowest shutter lag in
    their class), and I have a good deal of respect for them.
    Did you say 'Let's generalise on the basis of my limited experience'?
    I'm also a little bit puzzled about how it can be cheap and overpriced
    in the same breath.. (O:
     
    mark.thomas.7, Jul 3, 2006
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  9. Joan

    Rob Guest


    I will put some pictures up just to show what I mean.

    Buying two at a time for reasons - but fact.

    They are a cheap camera but maximise the price which they sell at. They
    are splitting open.

    mechanical problems with the lens retraction/flap function sticks. Its
    the way that it works Ricoh blame it on dirt even after the first month
    and one unit was sent back and was refused repair unless $90 was paid.
    No way dirt was in the camera.
     
    Rob, Jul 3, 2006
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  10. Joan

    kosh Guest

    cheap at $600 for a 7.1 time soom?
    most cams cheaper than this are either large bridgew cameras... the
    equivilant 10x Nikon S4 @ $650 without vibration reduction and quite
    large..... the KOdak V610 at $600 with 10x (but it's a kodak) or the
    massive Canon s3IS at $750??

    seems pretty on the money to me at $600

    kosh
     
    kosh, Jul 4, 2006
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  11. Joan

    Rob Guest

    It maybe at a comparable price but its not the quality of some other
    cameras. This is what I am saying.

    For what this type of camera is used for they have a record of buggering up.

    Did you know when the RR30 was released it halved the price of an
    equivalent 3mp camera.
     
    Rob, Jul 4, 2006
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  12. So, no answer given. Couldn't think of a plausible one?

    Again, no answer was given, nor any links to any supporting data. We
    are expected to believe he has two, they both 'broke' in the same way
    and Ricoh won't fix them. And he tells us that therefore everyone
    else's will be faulty too, even though there are no reports elsewhere
    to back him up. Hey, maybe there *is* a problem, but *this* story
    doesn't ring right at all.

    No answer given, in fact he doesn't even claim to *have* an R4 now,
    which is what he referred to originally.. The R4 has only been out a
    very short time. I would have thought a few comments on the use of
    slow-synch versus auto, or at least a description of the problem, would
    be in order. But clearly not.
    Oh for goodness sake. *If* they can show dirt damage then they have a
    case, otherwise it is a no-brainer. Just go to Consumer Affairs.

    Then again, don't bother, because you seem to making this up as you go
    along.
    We wait with breath baited.... Are they there yet?
    But hang on - you said the lens 'sticks'. That's absolutely nothing
    like 'splitting open'. Maybe after you dropped it on the concrete and
    it split open, the lens doesn't retract? (O;
    Again, post supporting links and references, otherwise it's just an
    opinion. One that appears to be worth exactly what we just paid for
    it....
    Whoopee. Umm, why is that bad, exactly? Ricoh have always had a
    *good* reputation for producing low-cost, but very feature-competitive
    cameras. The classic motor-drive XR-10m springs to mind - I had one
    for over fifteen years and it got a thrashing, but worked flawlessly
    and brilliantly.. They *have* made a few mediocre cameras, but so has
    Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Leica...

    I note that this is the same guy who recently said there was no reason
    to use RAW when shooting weddings.....

    So I think I'll wait on some more reliable sources. (O:


    Plonk.
     
    mark.thomas.7, Jul 4, 2006
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  13. Joan

    kosh Guest

    no matter what the starting price was!

    and considering the number we have sold through our shop without
    fault.... I think you are unfairly lambasting this poor camera!

    kosh
     
    kosh, Jul 4, 2006
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  14. Joan

    cmyk Guest

    Agreed. User incompetence (ie getting dirt in the works) does not a poor
    camera make.

    --
     
    cmyk, Jul 5, 2006
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