Ron - Kodak guy

Discussion in 'Kodak' started by pjp, Dec 21, 2006.

  1. pjp

    pjp Guest

    Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000 SP4
    & XP. NO 98SE etc.

    Is that correct?

    If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to upgrade
    my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is to
    just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support
    98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!!

    Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated.
     
    pjp, Dec 21, 2006
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  2. Well, try it before you return it ... generic statements of OS requirements
    tend to be on the conservative side.
     
    Charles Schuler, Dec 21, 2006
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  3. pjp

    pjp Guest

    Try it before returning means have to wait till "the day" and open box etc.
    where-as I still have time to return and choose another if I find out answer
    soon enough. I expect the camera itself to work fine but I don't like the
    artificial limitation of needing the latest & greatest OS (cause it ain't).
     
    pjp, Dec 21, 2006
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  4. You should say thank you to Kodak. The Windows 95 series of OSes are as bad
    as everything the Mac crazies say about them, and the NT series are as good
    as everything the Mac crazies say about Unix. Same ugly Windows face, but
    under the hood, completely different.

    Friends don't let friends use Windows 95/98/ME/SE

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Dec 22, 2006
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  5. pjp

    pjp Guest

    I'll say thanks to Kodak when they decide to throw in the OS for free that
    they demand be used.

    BS - I have all told 7 pc's networked in house. All can run XP but I only
    have it installed on one of them AND it's not the one that anyone uses to
    connect to the net. XP's as much if not more of a pain in the ass as any MS
    OS. BTW - and there's nothing I can do under XP I can't also do under 98SE
    that I've found to date (except not run products that basically demand XP).

    My attitude is 'bunch of moronic robots, we should be demanding MS fix their
    damn buggy software by redesigning it and providing it gratis to those of us
    suckers enough to believe their hype in the first place. Instead the add
    patch onto patch onto patch to mask/hide the flaws in their basic design
    then at some point call it a new version so they can do it all again'
     
    pjp, Dec 22, 2006
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  6. pjp

    pjp Guest

    Comments interspersed within ...

    Why, it adds no additional functionality and introduces a pile of extra bs.
    Not true.
    Not true
    Not true, my Fuji S602Z and daughters "whatever" plus couple of mp3 players,
    three webcams etc. all work fine under 98SE
    Oh I'm supposed to go out and buy Vista now so MS can **** me around even
    more with another level of "control". Geez, I gave up on Vax/VMS in the mid
    80's because I loved a pc because it was Personal. Now it might as well be
    another mini/mainframe for it's restrictions. And never forget it's MS's own
    design that they're hacking as they go to make work.
     
    pjp, Dec 22, 2006
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  7. pjp

    pjp Guest

    Well aware of Apple's bs. Have always wondered how they have people 'keep
    the faith'.
     
    pjp, Dec 22, 2006
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  8. Unfortunately, clients forced me to buy it, as the only way I could find
    to produce files that their computers could read....

    ________________________________________________________________________
    Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
    If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
     
    Louise Bremner, Dec 22, 2006
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  9. XP and Mac OS X are a modern (protected, preemptive, multithreaded) OSes.
    Win95 and the Classic Mac OS are unprotected, cooperative multitasking,
    un-threaded OSes. Under 95 and the Classic Mac OS any buggy (or malicious)
    program can overwrite the OS. Security is, in principle, impossible under
    those OSes.

    There are good, technical reasons for saying "Friends don't let friends use
    Windows 95/98/ME/SE."

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Dec 22, 2006
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  10. What are you doing that requires Windows 95/98/ME/SE that can't be done on
    XP???

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Dec 22, 2006
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  11. pjp

    ray Guest

    If you have USB support in your win98 it should work as a mass storage
    device. You'll find no mention of Linux in their support, yet I use it
    daily - simply mount as mass storage and read in the photos.
     
    ray, Dec 22, 2006
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  12. pjp

    ray Guest

    Guaranteed you can get it to work if you get a USB card reader (assuming,
    of course, that it has 98 drivers). This will save on the batteries
    anyway. Try crucial.com.
     
    ray, Dec 22, 2006
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  13. pjp

    ASAAR Guest

    I'm now using XP but before that used Win95 while using several
    Canon and Fuji cameras. The photo software provided by both
    companies was installed and quickly forgotten. I suspect that
    Kodak's software is no better, and if so, there's absolutely no
    reason to worry about using the C743 with your daughter's PIII
    because it's not needed as long as her computer can accommodate a
    card reader. Win98SE has long been the "minimum requirement" for
    adding USB support to older computers. My Win95 computer didn't
    have USB ports but it had two working card readers. A slow
    parallel port based reader and a very fast SCSI based reader. While
    it's possible that some facet of Kodak's photo software might be
    needed, it's highly unlikely. If you keep the C743 and eventually
    find that the included software won't install or operate properly,
    I'm sure that the C743 will still work just as well without it.
     
    ASAAR, Dec 22, 2006
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  14. pjp

    ASAAR Guest

    Using insanely small hard drives? :)
     
    ASAAR, Dec 22, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Microsoft has ended all support for Windows 98 including support for
    developers creating devices to be used with it. Further, the driver model
    in 98 is very different from the NT/2K/XP/Vista family, so providing
    Windows 98 support would require a separate and expensive development
    without any help from Microsoft. This is not an "artificial limitation",
    it is a matter of how to spread your resources.

    I think you will find yourself hard pressed to find a new digital camera
    with Windows 98 support today.

    In any case, I've never opened the envelope on the software that came with
    any digital camera I've owned--it's easier to just stick the card in the
    card reader, which pretty much puts the "support" issue aside.
     
    J. Clarke, Dec 22, 2006
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  16. Converting files so that the clients using Win98J on NECs could read
    them. And reading the floppies they were giving me.

    After various experiments with various different software bits on my
    Mac, I eventually decided the only way I could do that was to buy as
    close to their setup as possible (for as cheaply as possible, of
    course).

    But since I haven't received work from them for a while, that box is
    just another bit of junk now.

    ________________________________________________________________________
    Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
    If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
     
    Louise Bremner, Dec 22, 2006
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  17. pjp

    W Paul Mills Guest

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    NO! You might have to download the software, instead of using what is in
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    W Paul Mills, Dec 22, 2006
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  18. pjp

    W Paul Mills Guest

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    P. S. Kodak has a very good web site. Use it!
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    W Paul Mills, Dec 22, 2006
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  19. pjp

    pjp Guest

    Any "older" software that accesses various IO ports comes to mind, e.g. even
    old comm programs like Procomm will work in a window under 9X but won't
    under NT/XP.
     
    pjp, Dec 22, 2006
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  20. pjp

    Cgiorgio Guest

    Current Linuxes run on that hardware although 512 MB RAM would be better.
    Novell/SuSe 10 supports Kodak Digicams. Several photo editing tools
    including The Gimp are included in both the download version
    http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org and the commercial Novell
    version. A new hard disk might make sense for dual operating systems.
     
    Cgiorgio, Dec 22, 2006
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