Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Marc Down, Oct 2, 2006.

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    Marc Down Guest

    Sorry to appear clueless, but is their any difference in the cables used for
    S-Video & S-VHS?

    I want to transfer some video footage onto the PC via an S-Video feed (my
    other choice is composite) and have tried three cables that have the
    mini-DIN plugs on the end, without success.

    Two of the cables are cheap 'no name' ones, one is a better quality home
    theatre cable that has 'S-VHS' marked on it. I assume that the two 'no
    name' cables are also for S-VHS

    Either the cables for S-VHS and S-Video are wired differently, or my
    camcorder docking station S-Video socket is kaput.

    Any help?

    Marc Down, Oct 2, 2006
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    Jerry Guest

    As far as I know there is no difference, but then I don't know anyone
    who uses the term s-video, I assume you are talking about problems
    with video part of the transfer and not audio?
    Jerry, Oct 2, 2006
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    Jukka Aho Guest

    No, there isn't. "S-VHS" is a misnomer. It has stuck because S-VHS VCRs
    were the first devices to feature a mini-DIN Y/C (s-video) connector.
    Have you managed to capture anything at all with that configuration -
    even composite video?
    Jukka Aho, Oct 2, 2006
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    Marc Down Guest

    Hi, thanks for your input

    I'm using a simple 'Dazzle' capure unit, everything works with composite
    video - but I hoped to get a better quality signal via S-Video.
    Marc Down, Oct 2, 2006
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    Jerry Guest

    Did you not get anything from SVHS YC side of things, not even a B&W
    Jerry, Oct 2, 2006
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    Marc Down Guest

    Nothing at all - just a black screen. plug in a composite lead, and
    everything is fine. I can't find any mention in the camera handbook about
    selecting type of output, and can't see any such option in the menus There
    is no physical switch for that purpose on the camera docking station or the
    Dazzle unit.

    I just seem to have a vague memory from years ago to the effect that S-VHS
    and S-Video were not actually the same thing - so I hoped that I had the
    wrong cable.

    The sad alternative is a hardware fault.
    Marc Down, Oct 2, 2006
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    Jerry Guest

    I assume one doesn't need to switch the input from composite to YC?
    Jerry, Oct 2, 2006
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    Jerry Guest


    It has happen to all of us at sometime or other...
    When was the last time you de-fragmented your hard drive(s), I assume
    DMA is activated on the capture drive, and in the words of Tony
    Morgan - try running EnditAll (Google for this programme) before
    Jerry, Oct 2, 2006
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    HVB Guest

    Your CPU and RAM should certainly be up to the job. However, I have
    found (through bitter experience and great expense) that not all PCs
    like dealing with video, no matter how beefy they might appear.

    I'd suggest checking the Dazzle support info (http://www.dazzle.com)
    for any reference to your motherboard, or more specifically, the
    chipset that is built into your motherboard.

    Good luck.

    HVB, Oct 2, 2006
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    Marc Down Guest

    The drive was very recently formatted (FAT 32), DMA is Mode 5 (primary IDE)
    & mode 2 (secondary)

    I'll try Enditall (first I've heard of that one)

    Thanks for your help.
    Marc Down, Oct 2, 2006
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    Deep Reset Guest

    S-VHS is a tape standard (like the difference between 8mm and Hi-8 - the
    chrominance signal is shifted out of the luminance band)

    S-video an electrical one, sending the luminance signal down one cable pair
    and the chrominance down the other - so you can plug an S-video cable into a
    Hi-8 or S-VHS (or indeed a digital) recorder.

    You have to remember to enable S-video input on your capture device,
    otherwise you'll probably just get a monochrome image


    Deep Reset, Oct 2, 2006
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    RobDee Guest

    You´re probably hitting the FAT32 Filesize Limit after the 3 mins. That´s
    why NTFS is best format fro video work.

    RobDee, Oct 2, 2006
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    Marc Down Guest

    Especially Jerry - dunno what that enditall programme actually 'ends', but
    it made a huge difference. Files are now being captured and converted
    without problem.

    I also abandoned the Pinnacle software in favour of Movie Maker, which seems
    faster and more stable.

    I've got family VHS tapes dating back to 1984, so I'm planning to
    edit/archive them all onto DVD (should pass a few years....)

    I used to be keen on video - started in 1984 with a borrowed Akai (huge
    thing with a separate recorder in a leather bag), then bought a Ferguson
    FC08 (JVC clone) full size VHS, followed by a JVC GVX, which I've hardly
    used. I got waylaid by digital still photography, but now - finally having
    a computer that can process video reasonably quickly, I've found it great
    fun to mess about adding music and titles and all the naff things that home
    movie people love ;)

    I was going to buy a new DSLR - but I'm now being tempted by a modern (my
    DVX is about 7 years old) video camera instead.

    Sincere thanks to everyone who chipped in to help - it was appreciated.

    Marc Down, Oct 2, 2006
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    Jerry Guest

    Take some times to understand what the programme does, stopping the
    wrong background program might not quite have the effect you are

    If in doubt 'ping' Tony Morgan, as I said he seems to be the groups
    expert on that programme.

    Nice to see the group can still be of help, your welcome.
    Jerry, Oct 2, 2006
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    Andy Champ Guest

    RobDee wrote:
    In my experience, you can snip "fro video work". NTFS is just better.
    Smaller clusters, better allocation, more reliable, more features... and
    you don't need a full chkdsk after a crash!

    Andy Champ, Oct 2, 2006
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    Jukka Aho Guest

    You might want to try Avid Free DV as well:

    Jukka Aho, Oct 3, 2006
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    RobDee Guest

    Have a look at this link Harry, the guy was experiencing exactly that
    issue - while doing something similar to the OP too:


    RobDee, Oct 3, 2006
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    Marc Down Guest

    Thanks, I downloaded it and it looks like a great bit of software -
    unfortunately it doesn't support s-video via USB (unless I'm missing
    Marc Down, Oct 3, 2006
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    Jerry Guest

    Jerry, Oct 3, 2006
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    Jerry Guest

    Blimy, you're using a USB device! Surely your computer has a Firewire
    port, if you are serious about doing something with your old VHS
    tapes (and getting the best from them) I would strongly advise you
    invest in a analogue to DV converter (circa 150 GBP) [1], this would
    allow you greater freedom in what software you can use.

    [1] http://www.dvc.uk.com/acatalog/Analogue_Digital_Converters.html
    You only need a one way converter if you are burning to DVD after
    editing but at the moment there is no price advantage in not having
    in and out.
    Jerry, Oct 3, 2006
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