Samsung and Pentax to co-develop DSLRs - DPReview

Discussion in 'Samsung' started by Tony Polson, Oct 12, 2005.

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    Tony Polson Guest

    Tony Polson, Oct 12, 2005
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    DD (Rox) Guest

    Anyone who gets in bed with Samsung is sleeping with a bitch. A terrible
    company that is foisting the worst possible quality products on a mostly
    unsuspecting market.

    We have a Samsung graveyard in our office for all the printers, faxes,
    cellphones and monitors that have died within the last 2 years. there's
    no way I would even look at a camera from them.
     
    DD (Rox), Oct 12, 2005
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  3. Agreed. I can't think of anything with the Samsung name on it that I'd
    spend my money on.
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Oct 12, 2005
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    westin Guest

    That's strange; the Apple Cinema Displays, which are in the first rank of
    all computer displays, are sourced from Samsung, as I recall. Perhaps
    having a partner drives them to better quality...
     
    westin, Oct 12, 2005
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  5. Well, they've made do with that old Sony sensor for a couple of years now.
    If Samsung make their own sensor, there's no reason to assume that it'll be
    junk- it could be the kind of kick up the backside Sony need to produce a
    new sensor to supply Nikon and Minolta with.

    Forgive me for looking on the positive side, but maybe this is good news for
    Pentax customers too.
     
    Martin Francis, Oct 12, 2005
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    l e o Guest


    I believe the Apple 23" screen is from LG/Phillips. Frankly, the 24"
    Dell screen is from Samsung and is highly praised.
     
    l e o, Oct 12, 2005
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  7. Today l e o spoke these views with conviction for everyone's
    edification:
    I bought a 21" Samsung 213T LCD monitor in June, and it is going
    strong for now. I liked it best in the $800 and under market for
    this size in the many stores I looked at. So, I bought it on
    condition I could return if I didn't like it with my car
    pictures, but it has been simply outstanding.

    Now, that doens't mean it will live to a ripe old age, or even
    to next week, but then, life is uncertain at best...
     
    All Things Mopar, Oct 12, 2005
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    Tony Polson Guest


    Personally, I think it is a disaster for Pentax users. Co-operation
    with a company that has never made a high quality imaging sensor
    appears to be a final act of desperation.

    With no previous track record, the chance of Samsung giving Sony a
    kick up the ass approximates to zero. And that doesn't mean I am
    praising Sony sensors.
     
    Tony Polson, Oct 12, 2005
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    Cheesehead Guest

    At least they didn't partner any further with Cosina.
     
    Cheesehead, Oct 12, 2005
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    Tony Polson Guest


    They never did.
     
    Tony Polson, Oct 12, 2005
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    Chimp Guest


    I think that this is (sadly) a very plausible statement - 'desperation'
    almost certainly describes the mood at Pentax HQ.

    It also shows that, despite oft stated opinions by owners that Pentax have
    been busily developing a D replacement, and would be announcing it
    'shortly', this is not the case - and that, far from working on a new 'top'
    camera, Pentax have been reduced to scratching around for someone (anyone?)
    to bail them out.

    This is probably the beginning of the end for one of the previously most
    innovative camera companies around - and it's very sad.
     
    Chimp, Oct 12, 2005
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    Tony Polson Guest


    Which HQ are you referring to?

    Japan, USA, ... ??
     
    Tony Polson, Oct 12, 2005
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    ThomasH Guest

    Probably Pentax shares here the fate with virtually every camera
    maker except for Canon. We are in the "silly season," availability
    of a sensor is crucial. They all wait and wait and wait for a
    sensor with more than 6Mpix and Canon has surely 10-12Mpix
    models waiting for a release as soon any of them moves across the
    6Mpix barrier.

    However, I am not sure if Tony's assessment of Samsumg is correct.

    Samsung is a the very symbol of raising Korea from an agrar nation
    to a top contender in high-tech and in innovation. Samsung is
    widely considered the best, most creative company of the Far East.
    They have teached fear all well established Japanese companies
    by pushing numerous products with excellent quality and features.
    Their LCD screens come to mind, small laser printers and phones.
    I would not be surprised if they would be able to make a CMOS
    or CCD sensor out pacing Sony. Sony has made a series a sensors
    so far, true. However so many of them were a disaster. Just
    think of the 8Mpix sensor for the 828 Sony, or the recent
    Sony R1 with its huge APS sized sensor and the "stunning"
    noise level. Another provider, Matsushita is clearly now
    the maker of the "most astonishing noisy sensors." Their
    slogan must be "our sensor will give you noise even at 100ISO"

    You speak of despair at Pentax, people at Leica camera must
    be now in real despair!!! They are in partnership with the
    wrong people.

    So far, because the name Samsung sounds better on a printer,
    nobody has even made the effort to test their Pro815 camera.
    I never saw any examples of what this sensor can do. Maybe
    we should see some images before assuming that they will not
    challenge or surpass Sony?

    I share your sentiment! It is a time of change. Casio, Sony,
    Panasonic, even Samsung or Hewlett-Packard for that matter
    are the "new names," alongside of a bunch less known Chinese
    companies.

    The classic camera companies will have a hard time to go
    through the critical period. Contax or Bronica are probably
    gone for good, Agfa is mainly only in large scale reproduction
    and printing business.

    Thomas
     
    ThomasH, Oct 12, 2005
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    Tony Polson Guest


    I accept that. But my point is that Samsung haven't done it *yet*.
    Samsung don't have any track record in APS sized sensors, let along
    full frame sensors. And it is far too much to expect for such a
    company to start making excellent photo sensors in a size where they
    previously haven't made *any*.

    And that's why I think Pentax's co-operation with Samsung is a sign of
    desperation.
     
    Tony Polson, Oct 12, 2005
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    Cheesehead Guest

    Weren't the last (non-Asahi) a Cosina product?
    Like the (gasp) Nikon FE-10?

    Collin
     
    Cheesehead, Oct 12, 2005
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    Cheesehead Guest

    that is, the last K1000
     
    Cheesehead, Oct 12, 2005
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    BJ in Texas Guest

    ||
    ||| However, I am not sure if Tony's assessment of Samsumg is
    ||| correct.
    |||
    ||| Samsung is a the very symbol of raising Korea from an agrar
    ||| nation
    ||| to a top contender in high-tech and in innovation. Samsung
    ||| is
    ||| widely considered the best, most creative company of the Far
    ||| East. They have teached fear all well established Japanese
    ||| companies
    ||| by pushing numerous products with excellent quality and
    ||| features. Their LCD screens come to mind, small laser
    ||| printers and phones.
    ||| I would not be surprised if they would be able to make a
    CMOS
    ||| or CCD sensor out pacing Sony.
    ||
    ||
    || I accept that. But my point is that Samsung haven't done it
    || *yet*. Samsung don't have any track record in APS sized
    || sensors, let along full frame sensors. And it is far too
    || much to expect for such a company to start making excellent
    || photo sensors in a size where they previously haven't made
    || *any*.
    ||
    || And that's why I think Pentax's co-operation with Samsung is
    || a sign of desperation.

    If they can't make them, they will buy someone that can.
     
    BJ in Texas, Oct 12, 2005
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    Tony Polson Guest


    The last K1000 was made in China, and not by Cosina.
     
    Tony Polson, Oct 12, 2005
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  19. Perhaps the Pentax engineers know something that we don't. - It's possible
    that Samsung needs money to finish the development of something good that
    they have started. I think it would be wise to wait and see what
    happens.......
     
    William Graham, Oct 12, 2005
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    Chimp Guest

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    Surely, the most likely scenario is for money to be going *from* Samsung to
    prop up Pentax?

    Which leads one to wonder whether the outcome of this 'partnership' will be
    the acquisition of Pentax by Samsung and the asset stripping of patents and
    design ideas to be incorprated into future high-end Samsung caameras.

    Left on their own, it's hard to see Pentax struggling on for much longer -
    falling sales, dumbing down of models - and now the tacit revelation that
    there is no long awaited D replacement (the prospect of which, the faithful
    have been comforting themselves with for months) surely mean that Pentax is
    almost out of the game?
     
    Chimp, Oct 12, 2005
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