Samsung GX-10 - wow!

Discussion in 'Samsung' started by Sam, May 4, 2007.

  1. Sam

    Sam Guest

    Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D clone) is
    as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.

    Having owned both cameras I can state that the Samsung JPG algorithm
    produces noticeably sharper (yet also smoother) results.

    The infamous banding issue of under-exposed images is also reduced - to the
    point where RAW files (DNG only on the GX-10) opened in Lightroom eliminate
    the phenomenon completely when compared to the same image opened in Silkypix
    (Adobe obviously likes its own format)

    The menu system is also much improved over the Pentax version - much more
    modern and aesthetically pleasing. Build quality is exactly the same - but
    the Samsung comes with a 2 year warranty in the UK, and costs only £600 for
    the 2 lens kit.

    On the subject of the supplied lenses - I had planned to sell both lenses
    immediately on ebay (18-55 & 50-200) but they are so sharp and generally
    pleasing that I see no need to splash out on anything better at the moment.
    I have some considerable experience of various Pentax glass, including the
    18-55, 50-200, and a couple of the Limiteds (as well as many others) so I
    know what constitutes a good example. There is no reason why the Samsung
    brand lenses would be better than the Pentax version - so it appears that
    (for once in my life) I got lucky and landed two samples at the better end
    of the tolerance range.

    All in all I'm a happier camper than I've been for a couple of years trying
    cameras from Pentax Nikon and Fuji, now that Samsung have released a battery
    grip to fit the slightly deeper grip profile of the GX-10 I see no reason
    for buying the Pentax product.

    So, if you're debating the merits of the two cameras - buy the Samsung with
    confidence - I doubt that you'll be disappointed.

    Sam, May 4, 2007
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    Paul Mitchum Guest


    Does it have the firmware to control the SDM autofocus in the new DA*
    Paul Mitchum, May 4, 2007
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    Sam Guest

    I don't know - I've put Samsung firmware 1.2 on it today, which gives all
    the current Pentax features, wireless flash, etc.

    Samsung state that 'weather sealed lenses' are due 'in the first quarter of
    2007' - so that obviously means the new DA*'s, which in turn obviously means
    that it's almost certain that the firmware will support in-lens drive.
    Sam, May 4, 2007
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    Paul Mitchum Guest

    Well, no it doesn't mean that at all. The DA* lenses can also use the
    in-camera motor, and I can imagine Pentax wanting their brand to have
    the super-cool feature set that Samsung/Schneider doesn't. It'd be nice
    to know for sure, but I can't even find the cameras on Samsung's

    By the way, the DA* ship date has been moved to August (ask me how I
    Paul Mitchum, May 4, 2007
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    timeOday Guest

    I didn't even know Samsung made digital cameras. Samsung has really
    been on the rise over the last few years, I think they're the next Sony.
    timeOday, May 4, 2007
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    Sam Guest

    They've made point & shoot models for a number of years but their DSLR's
    have, so far, been confined to re-badged Pentax models - *ist DS, *ist DL.

    The GX10 is 99% Pentax K10D, but has a very slightly different body shape
    and Samsung's own firmware (which, presumably, is where the IQ improvements
    come from)

    Actually, the K10D would probably never have existed at all had it not been
    for Samsung's research and development money which became available to
    Pentax after their collaboration announcement a couple of years ago. I know
    that many Pentax owners are a bit sniffy about Samsung - perceiving them to
    be 'not a real camera company' - but it's likely that in the long run
    Samsung will be a dominant force in DSLR's, and will probably be standing
    long after Pentax has vanished except in name only.

    Samsung have recently developed their own CMOS chip, which is likely to
    appear in their next DSLR offering, which will be an in-house Samsung design
    (probably still keeping the K-mount, though.

    Phew, that's enough banging the drum for the Koreans ;), all I really know
    for sure is that the GX-10 is better than the K10D I previously owned, and
    gives some *very* nice images for a relatively modest outlay. That'll do me
    Sam, May 4, 2007
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    Sam Guest

    Maybe, but I doubt if Samsung will lose that advantage, given their
    expressed corporate intention to become a major player in the DSLR market.

    In fact, it's possible that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
    requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after all,
    Samsung's cash that made it possible, and they might well have insisted upon
    a more up to date drive system, while Pentax wanted to keep the body drive
    for legacy reasons. If that's the case, there is no way they will not
    allow their own GX-10 to support the new lenses

    OK - how do you know ;)
    Sam, May 4, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    Pete D, May 4, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    Possibly but no way to confirm yet unless you have one of the new lenses.
    1.2 allows compatibility with Remote Assistant 3 on the Pentax cameras,
    great tool for tethered shooting.

    Wireless flash has been available since 1.10, what Samsung flashes are you

    Rubbish, this is market driven because the big players have in lens motors.

    Everyone has known for weeks.
    Pete D, May 4, 2007
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    Sam Guest

    ....and the joke is?....
    Sam, May 4, 2007
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    Sam Guest

    I've bought the Samsung SEF-36PXF, which is an identical clone of the Pentax
    AF-360FGZ. It cost £99.99, unlike the Pentax version which goes for between
    £150 - £200.

    'Rubbish'? - try not to be so agressive. I, personally, have little doubt
    that in-lens motors were Samsung's idea - they know what the market wants,
    unlike Pentax who were obliged to constantly reissue dismal variations of
    their 6mp *istD until Samsung put some money into the pot.

    I daresay that, if not for the need by Pentax to support existing lenses,
    Samsung would have gone for in-lens drive from the outset.

    Endless product delays are another Pentax specialty (645D, anyone?....) -
    perhaps, this time, prompted by the fact that they are on the brink of going
    out of the camera business for good.

    Samsung will still be around though ;)
    Sam, May 4, 2007
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    Charlie Self Guest

    I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
    body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. That's
    at B&H. Not for me.
    Charlie Self, May 4, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    CHeck out the original post, this guy is a goose or a twit, ot both.
    Pete D, May 4, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    Identical clone??? LOL!

    And all yours did not work properly?

    Link to this "proof"??
    Pete D, May 4, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    We seem to have passed that date, OMFG Sumsang is late with something!!!
    OMG, OMG, OMG!!!

    so that obviously means the new DA*'s, which in turn obviously
    I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
    body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. That's
    at B&H. Not for me.

    Your'e not going to let a few facts get in the way of a good story are you??
    LOL! And remember the Samsung is "noticably sharper".
    Pete D, May 4, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    And don't forget to factor in double the cost for the GZ-10's memory cos the
    DNGs are twice as big. Bugger!!
    Pete D, May 4, 2007
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    John Bean Guest

    Charlie, the OP is quoting UK prices so I assume he's in the
    UK. Samsung sells for a *much* lower price than Pentax in
    the UK, not the other way around as it seems to be in the

    That's why I have a Samsung SA50-200 rather than a Pentax
    DA50-200 on my DS.
    John Bean, May 4, 2007
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    Charlie Self Guest

    John: Is the swing that great? When the rebate is knocked off, we're
    talking about a $200 difference for essentially the same product.
    Certainly, if I could get a GX10 for $200 less than the Pentax, I'd be
    at least poised to leap, even though I don't really have the hots for
    either one...but at $600!

    Of course, the OP was writing about either pounds or euros, both of
    which are worth more than the buck. And his cost was $1,195. Argh!
    Ouch. That's my wallet screaming in commiseration. I'm complaining
    about, essentially, an $825 K10D. I apologize.
    Charlie Self, May 4, 2007
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    John Bean Guest

    We have no rebates :-(

    There's a lot of variation but taking a single supplier who
    sells both the Samsung "kit" will sell for about the same
    price as the Pentax body, so you basically get the lenses
    free. The kit lenses are not cheap in the UK, I paid £129
    for my Samsung 50-200, the Pentax was £169 - that's over
    $300... So yes, you could easily save the equivalent of $200
    in the UK by buying a Samsung rather than Pentax, depending
    on what kit you buy.

    Yep, that's the way it is. After saving your $200 equivalent
    by buying Samsung instead of Pentax here in the UK you would
    still be paying $200 more than US prices for Pentax. It's a
    funny old world.
    John Bean, May 4, 2007
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    Sam Guest

    OK - so we've established that you are a supercilious prick, and you want a
    flame war.

    I'm your man.

    Go for it, Monkey
    Sam, May 4, 2007
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