Satellite uplink question

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Joseph Brown, Jul 20, 2003.

  1. Joseph Brown

    Joseph Brown Guest

    From Montreal Canada, I want to uplink a 60 minute program from a PAL tape
    to one television station in Greece.

    I called our teleport and told me that it's feasable for USD$2000.

    The teleport told me that they will uplink the feed to an international
    satellite and it will be downlinked in Greece.

    Perfect, everything is fine till now. Then, they told me that the TV
    station must be linked directly to Greece's Downlink Teleport for them to
    get the audio/video feed. This is where I have a problem. I understand:
    Major TV broadcasters all have links to teleports. This small maket TV
    station is located remotely, and has no fiber optic link with Greece's
    downlink teleport. However, they do have a TVRO / 4DTV/ FTA / DBV satellite
    receivers. They told me that it's not possible. "They cannot receive the
    feed directly without going though the downlink teleport" they told me...

    I said that I don't have a problem to send it "in the clear", I'm the
    copyright owner and I really don't care if some people happen to tune in to
    this FTA feed. Then, the tech told me that if you want your customer to
    receive it FTA, the teleport in Greece must re-uplink it to a local
    satellite.

    I really don't understand this.... Both the TV station and the downlink
    teleport are within a strong signal footprint, why can't the TV station pick
    the feed directly, provided that he knows the frequency/time and its FTA as
    per my request? I really don't understand. Why involve a downlink teleport
    and not have my customer receive the news feed directly with his FTA
    receiver?

    I couldn't argue more. I said that I'll call them back when I'm ready to
    uplink. They are really making my life and my cistomer's life hard.

    Thanks for the info.
     
    Joseph Brown, Jul 20, 2003
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  2. What satellites can the Greek station receive? Which channels are used
    for "occasional feeds"? Maybe you should attack the problem form THAT
    end and work "backwards"? Maybe a european-based satellite broker or
    consultant could sort it out?
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 20, 2003
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  3. Joseph Brown

    MSu1049321 Guest

    Who downlinks your shot and how is not the uplink folk's concern. They have
    nothing to say about that. Their job is to hit the correct bird at the correct
    time and coordinates on the right transponder and polarity. Does the target in
    Greece have a Ku or C-band dish? Or even one of those consumer type DBS
    affairs? you could maybe rent space on SkyTV or one of the other european
    services and have then put it on an unused digital channel, like pay per view.
     
    MSu1049321, Jul 20, 2003
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  4. And if that is all the help they are to Mr. Brown, he should seek
    help from someone who knows the whole picture. This is not so
    much a technical question as a customer service question.
    The original posting suggested that yes, they do have such things.
    And that is the kind of creative problem-solving Mr. Brown should
    seek. His description of his original contact with the uplink vendor
    makes me think he is talking to the wrong people. Surely there
    are satellite channel brokers and/or consultants that can put this
    sort of thing together.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 21, 2003
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  5. Joseph Brown

    Joseph Brown Guest

    What satellites can the Greek station receive?

    All that have a footprint available in the country.
    Analog or Digital. C-Band and Ku Band, 4DTV, TVRO, FTA.
    I doubt it since I'll have to playback the tape from our local teleport here
    in Montreal, Canada.
     
    Joseph Brown, Jul 21, 2003
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  6. Joseph Brown

    Joseph Brown Guest

    Who downlinks your shot and how is not the uplink folk's concern. They
    have
    Exactly, this is my point. They even want me to call the downlink teleport
    in Greece (Unitel Hellas) to get a "certification number" !

    Their job is to hit the correct bird at the correct
    Apparently, they seem to care where the feed will be downlinked and who will
    get it. I know this since I also asked how much would it cost to uplink to
    a Canadian Satellite Anik F1 whose footprint covers the entire North
    America. They asked me if its for Canadian or US reception. I said,
    regardless... Then, this coordinator told me that if it's to be received in
    the states, it's CAD$700/hr. If it's for a Canadian TV station, it's
    $650/hr. They charge $50 flat fee for "cross border" fees.

    This is what I thought too. I thought that the uplink forlks should care
    only to target the feet at the right bird. Apperently not. They care also
    which Teleport will receive it!
    Since it's a low-budget TV station, I wouldn't be surprized if it's a
    consumer-type DBS capable of FTA reception. Doesn't matter. It receives
    all FTA feeds without any problem.
     
    Joseph Brown, Jul 21, 2003
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  7. Joseph Brown

    Joseph Brown Guest

    His description of his original contact with the uplink vendor
    I think not. I'm talking to the person coordinating the entire uplink
    thing. He even told me that the feed will get uplinked Analog, then,
    somewhere along the path it will get digitized to 8 Mbps MPEG2 DVB and the
    final downlink will be analog.

    The knew what he was talking about. He even told me that the actual company
    involved for the technical side of things will be 5DTV www.5d.com

    If it's not possible, I'll just use 1-day DHL or digitize the program in 3
    Mbps MPEG2 and FTP it to them via the internet. (assuming the folks at the
    TV station 1- have high speed and 2- know what FTP is 3- know what to do
    with it....) The scenario that I see happening, is mailing a tape via DHL.
    They'll probably get the news story 2 days later, buy hey, I can so much.
     
    Joseph Brown, Jul 21, 2003
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  8. Joseph Brown

    Steve Guidry Guest

    Sounds like you're dealing with the wrong uplink provider.

    I agree with Richard. The way to work is it from the receive end.

    What I'm wondering is why you're not involving your customer in the
    transaction. Does he WANT your program ? Or is this something you're
    trying to sell him ? If it's not time-sensitive, why not just send the tape
    ?
     
    Steve Guidry, Jul 21, 2003
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  9. Joseph Brown

    Joseph Brown Guest

    Does he WANT your program ? Or is this something you're
    Yes. It's a greek festival here and it's time sensitive material. I'll just
    mail it 1-Day DHL at $300.
     
    Joseph Brown, Jul 21, 2003
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