Say it ain't so: Premiere 6.5 for Windows

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Mark A. Smith, Jul 2, 2003.

  1. Have used version 6 for mac for a few years now. Trying to capture DV
    from my XL-1 with audio on both channels;

    There is no option to choose audio channel from within Premiere!!??

    Am I missing something here, or is this program just lacking in this
    very important area?

    TIA

    Disgusted In Denver
     
    Mark A. Smith, Jul 2, 2003
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  2. Should I take this underwhelming response as a "never heard of it, don't
    miss it, don't know why'd you'd need it"? Has any Premiere Windows user
    ever looked for this feature?

    Oh well, back to the drawing board...
     
    Mark A. Smith, Jul 2, 2003
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  3. I've been through the dialog boxes exhaustively. I just don't believe
    it's there. My impatience stems from this- I have one larger video drive
    that I just moved from my mac to the pc, now I have to move it back
    again and get on with the work.

    Adobe may prefer the pc for their video products, and the 6.5 rev on the
    pc is much better than the mac offering, but this is one feature I can't
    live without.

    I always put wireless and hand held mics on channel two so I can use the
    on-camera mic as a backup.

    I'm confident that if I overlooked this function, someone would have set
    me straight quickly.

    Thanx,

    Mark
     
    Mark A. Smith, Jul 2, 2003
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  4. Mark A. Smith

    Gary Pollard Guest

    Maybe I don't quite understand your question, but I often record from a
    Sennheisser mike onto the left channel of my PD150 and from the camera mike
    onto the right channel. When I capture into Premiere that's what I get. If I
    want to use only one channel, then I use Clip > Audio Options > Duplicate
    Left or Duplicate Right.

    Gary
     
    Gary Pollard, Jul 2, 2003
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  5. Most (all?) dv corders and decks have some provision for 2 discreet
    stereo channels. You are describing using the left and right sides of
    channel 1. Most decks and camcorders can only use the second channel as
    an overdub feature.

    When it came out, the XL-1 was the only pro-sumer camera to allow
    simultaneous recording on both channels, effectively allowing you to
    record 4 discreet channels into stereo pairs.

    Unfortunately, the Windows Premiere does not seem to make any
    accomodation for getting audio out of the second stereo channel.
     
    Mark A. Smith, Jul 3, 2003
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  6. This might clarify it further;

    I'm not actually playing back from the XL-1, but from a JVC SR-VS20, a
    combo mini-dv/S-VHS deck. The fact is that when I shot the footage on my
    XL-1, I used Audio 1 for the stereo on-camera mic, and Audio 2 for
    either a wireless or handheld dynamic mic.
     
    Mark A. Smith, Jul 3, 2003
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  7. Mark A. Smith

    Gary Pollard Guest

    Ah right. It's been a long while since I used my XL-1, and I usually find
    two tracks adequate for my purposes.

    There may be some help here:

    http://www.dvinfo.net/canon/articles/article67.php

    It seems that usually people record it as a separate wav.file and then synch
    it up.
     
    Gary Pollard, Jul 3, 2003
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  8. I would do that, if I saw a way to switch to the 2nd channel input! Do I
    need to go analog in 8o!
     
    Mark A. Smith, Jul 3, 2003
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  9. In my experience on the mac:

    The firewire output from the deck or camera was independent of the
    analog settings on the deck/camera, in other words the output from the
    deck (the analog outs to tv/monitor) had no affect on the signal sent
    thru the firewire.

    In the batch list in premiere, I could assign settings that took the
    audio from Ch. 1 or 2, and just let the batch capture go. No matter what
    the deck was set to (ch 1 or 2), it would remain unaffected by the
    signal called for by the computer.

    Gary, you were the guy who helped me my PC purchase? Thanx for all your
    help there. I really didn't know which way to turn. My only regret on
    the Enlight case is that the 5.25 drives/inserts sit way back from the
    bezel. Everything else is great.
     
    Mark A. Smith, Jul 3, 2003
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  10. Mark A. Smith

    Gary Pollard Guest

    Hi Mark,

    One solution someone has suggested to your problem on the Premiere forum is
    to use Scenalyzer Live to capture.

    He says the free demo version of ScLive will watermark the video file, but
    the audio files come through intact & it handles all four channels
    properly -- you get one stereo pair associated with the avi file, and the
    second stereo pair as a wav file.

    www.scenalyzer.com

    If you like it, it only costs $40 to register.
    I think that was another Gary, maybe Gary Bettan. Hope the above advice can
    help you a little with this problem though.

    Gary
     
    Gary Pollard, Jul 3, 2003
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  11. Mark A. Smith

    Gary Pollard Guest

    HI Mark

    From the Premiere Support Knowledgebase

    ---------------------------------

    Capturing Stereo Audio

    A DV device can record audio on any of four channels; however, Premiere can
    capture only two channels. Which channels Premiere captures depends on which
    channels you select on the DV device for output. For most cameras, the
    default setting is to record the internal microphone on channels one and two
    (sometimes referred to as stereo pair one), and to record an external
    microphone on channels three and four (stereo pair two). The audio mix
    settings for the camera's VCR mode usually default to stereo pair one. Menu
    settings on most DV devices enable you to select which stereo pair is
    transmitted via the IEEE 1394 port. You can select stereo pair one, stereo
    pair two, or a mix of these pairs. For details, refer to the DV device's
    documentation.

    Gary
     
    Gary Pollard, Jul 3, 2003
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  12. Mark A. Smith

    Dean Guest

    Most of use also don't use that, and record 16 bit 48000hz stereo PCM
    audio instead....

    -Dean
     
    Dean, Jul 3, 2003
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  13. If this works correctly, it will beat the Mac on this issue for taking
    them both down (good for ambience and discreet signal at once).

    Thanx for your input on this subject. I will try out the Scenalyzer now.

    Mark

    (and thanks to the other Gary for the PC build help.)
     
    Mark A. Smith, Jul 3, 2003
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  14. Mark A. Smith

    Jack Perry Guest

    In Premier: 6 or 6.5, you have to capture both channels however:

    click on the audio track to select it. Now right click on it, select audio
    options,
    now you can select Duplicate L or R or Mute L or R that should do ya...
     
    Jack Perry, Jul 3, 2003
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    RGBaker Guest

    In Premier: 6 or 6.5, you have to capture both channels however:
    This would work if you only wanted half of a single stereo pair ... but this
    thread is pursuing two stereo pairs as found in the 32K/12bit option.

    GB
     
    RGBaker, Jul 3, 2003
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  16. If your output to vcd or dvd, upsampling your 12/32 audio weill
    cause artifacts that are quite audible. If you really need to record
    4 tracks, use a separate audio record synced to your camera.
     
    Nobody_of_Consequence, Jul 3, 2003
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  17. I have never heard upsampling artifacts on the mac side. Is this an
    issue with Premiere in windows?
     
    Mark A. Smith, Jul 3, 2003
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  18. Mark A. Smith

    Max Volume Guest

    No, that's impossible. There are no issues whatsoever with any Windows
    software. It all runs perfectly and supports every feature of every
    Mac program ever written.
     
    Max Volume, Jul 3, 2003
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  19. "Mark A. Smith" wrote ...
    We are all entitled to our beliefs, based on how we percieve the world.
    However the fact remains that 4-channel, 32K, 12-bit mode in DV is not
    widely supported, in hardware OR software.
    It wouldn't be the first gaping hole in Premiere. Note that it has
    nothing to do with Microsoft or Firewire (since obviously Scenalyzer
    can properly interperet the 12/32 bitstream without any change to
    the OS). Microsoft is fully implicated in lots of bugs and deficiencies,
    but this isn't one of them.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 3, 2003
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  20. Mark A. Smith

    Zac Flame Guest

    I have Jvc 5000 which does the same thing on audio and I have the
    same jvc deck and I also edit in P6.5 what you have to do switch audio
    channels, but first make a copy of the one you have then copy and
    paste and then right click, switch channels, and there is both your
    channels

    Zac
     
    Zac Flame, Jul 3, 2003
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