Scanner advice (first film)

Discussion in 'Scanners' started by Scott in Florida, Jul 30, 2005.

  1. I've got a TON of old Kodachrome slides from my Navy days in the 60's
    and a TON of negatives taken over the years.

    I'd like to get a scanner that will do a decent job (say good enough
    to make a 5 X 7 print of the resulting scan.

    One use would be a quick scan of negatives to look at the picture as a
    positive so I can tell if I want to scan further...

    Would the Konica Minolta DiMAGE Scan Dual IV be a good pick for a
    first 'film scanner'?

    I don't want to spend an arm and a leg....just yet (however if I
    really get into this....you know how these little hobbies escalate
    <grin>.
     
    Scott in Florida, Jul 30, 2005
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  2. Scott in Florida

    Kinon O'cann Guest

    Before you get a scanner price, be sure to look at the alternatives, like a
    Kodak Photo CD. Weed out the slides you really want, and get a count.
    Getting someone else to do it will save you hundreds of hours, maybe
    thousands.
     
    Kinon O'cann, Jul 30, 2005
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  3. Good points.

    Unfortunately...when I took a lot of these pictures I was pretty young
    and didn't record much if anything about them.

    I guess what I'm after is a 'quick look' at say a group of negatives.
    If it looks interesting, then do a good scan of those negs.

    I'm not cast in concrete as to which way to go.

    I fully understand the time required to do the whole job...and your
    points about getting a Photo CD do make a lot of sense in making a
    good inventory of what I have.

    Then there is my curiosity with the technology and wanting to learn
    how to scan negatives....

    My original thought was to find a scanner that doesn't cost an arm and
    a leg and give it a try.
     
    Scott in Florida, Jul 30, 2005
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  4. Scott in Florida

    Father Kodak Guest

    So don't forget that you'll need some kind of software that can
    produce "contact sheets," either from your scanner or from the images
    from the Photo CD.
    Good to know. But somehow there's a joke in there about how much this
    will all cost you, and that you should borrow the money from the wrong
    kind of guys.

    (Did I ever mention that I grew up in Brooklyn? But I'm not related
    to any of those crooks who run the mail-order places these days.)
    If you do buy a scanner, whether Minolta or another brand, you will
    need to consider third party scanning software alternatives. Also a
    stack-loader for your slides and a filmstrip holder for your negs.

    The scanning software should have "profiles" for different kinds of
    color films, since apparently the orange mask differs from color neg
    film to color neg film.
    There's always ebay. But a lot of the older Nikon scanners require
    SCSI, which may or may not be another technology you are curious
    about. :)

    Father Kodak
     
    Father Kodak, Jul 30, 2005
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  5. It would have been a hell of a lot easier if I had written good
    notes...but that old hindsight is a bit hard to beat...LOL
    Well the Kodachromes....I can put on a light box and get an idea if I
    really want to scan them. I also have a couple of old Kodak
    projectors.

    ....but somewhere I must have switched to and Airequipt
    projector....cause I have a bunch of loaded Magazines. Damned if I
    remember that period....but there are some interesting slides...LOL

    lol...there is a limit...
     
    Scott in Florida, Jul 31, 2005
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  6. Of course....I have both Kodachrome and B&W mixed in with C-41.

    Did anyone ever promise us that life would be easy?

    I think I may just spring for it and see how it goes.

    Of course if I really find a slide or negative that I want a really
    great scan of...I can take it down to the local photography shop. In
    our town we still have some die hard film people and their lab is
    excellent.
     
    Scott in Florida, Jul 31, 2005
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  7. Scott in Florida

    Father Kodak Guest

    Why is that?
    Again, why? Is that because there is no "color" except gray?
    Among these various scanners, do you have first-hand experience? Can
    any of them produce RAW files?

    Pere Kodak
     
    Father Kodak, Jul 31, 2005
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  8. Scott in Florida

    John Bean Guest

    Because the emulsion is irregular, with visible "ridges" on
    edges and suchlike. This produces strong images in the IR
    channel which look like defects to the software so it tries
    to remove them.
    The image contains silver which reflects the IR as well as
    visible, makes an even bigger mess with the IR cleaning than
    Kodachrome.

    IR cleaning relies on the film being uniformly transparent
    to IR, so any variation seen in IR is assumed to be a defect
    of some sort or surface dust and debris.
     
    John Bean, Jul 31, 2005
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  9. There must be a way around all this.

    Any ideas?
     
    Scott in Florida, Jul 31, 2005
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  10. Scott in Florida

    John Doe Guest

    Dual Scan IV includes Photoshop Elements-2.

    I don't think it can process 16bit.

    Otherwise the software is sufficient for most needs of processing, editing
    and printing.

    The dual scan seems to be somewhat quirky to use- users have reported
    frequent crashes and installation problems.

    Some have reported that the scanner works much better using a 3rd part
    program called Vuescan, for an additional $80...

    At 3200max dpi, the Dual Scan is sufficient for the needs of most users and
    will creat a file with enough resolution to print at up to 11x13 / 300dpi.

    I am considering the Dual Scan for conversion of my C-41 neg archive and to
    ween myself from my digital camera.

    Best,

    Ross
     
    John Doe, Jul 31, 2005
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  11. Scott in Florida

    John Bean Guest

    Smarter software. Vuescan for instance seems to be
    surprisingly effective in "ignoring" the problems associated
    with Kodachrome yet still providing very effective dust
    removal. It tends to slow down the scanning quite a lot, but
    that's got to be better than spotting by hand.
     
    John Bean, Jul 31, 2005
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  12. Thanks.

    Sounds like this could be a bit more of an adventure than I had
    guessed at the beginning (isn't that always the case<g>).
     
    Scott in Florida, Aug 1, 2005
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  13. I've have both 2 and 3...so I should be set.
    I have a room full of old Minolta gear (SRT 101 era)....and just can't
    seem to part with it (although their value now is so low I just might
    as well keep it).

     
    Scott in Florida, Aug 1, 2005
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  14. I'll give the 'stock' software a run for a bit...and keep this advice
    in the back of my head. Thanks.
     
    Scott in Florida, Aug 1, 2005
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  15. Scott in Florida

    Father Kodak Guest

    I just got a roll of C-41 processed and i got the Photo CD as an
    experiment. Cost me all of $4 more. :)

    Scan produces a 1536 x 1024 pixel image. Enough for a 4" x 6" at good
    quality, but I'm sure an 8"x10" would not make you happy.

    For what it's worth ...;

    Father Kodak
     
    Father Kodak, Aug 2, 2005
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  16. Scott in Florida

    Father Kodak Guest

    Does VueScan or other software have a setting for black and white film
    (or even multiple settings for different kinds of b&w?)

    Kodak
     
    Father Kodak, Aug 2, 2005
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  17. Scott in Florida

    John Bean Guest

    It does indeen. You can adjust anything by eye, but profiles
    are built-in for a number of common (mainly Kodak) films.

    I've been using Vuescan since 1999 and I've yet to find
    anything better. Unlike most of the competition it doesn't
    look pretty but it does the job.
     
    John Bean, Aug 2, 2005
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  18. Scott in Florida

    John Bean Guest

    "Indeen"? Where did that come from?

    "Indeed" is the word I though I'd typed...
     
    John Bean, Aug 2, 2005
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  19. Scott in Florida

    Father Kodak Guest

    I stand corrected.

    Father Kodak (no relation to that sad and declining company
    headquartered in Rochester, New York, USA.)

    PS: Should I change my name to "Father Sony Image Sensor" or "Father
    Foveon?"
     
    Father Kodak, Aug 2, 2005
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  20. Scott in Florida

    Father Kodak Guest

    Specifically for black and white films? Great!
    Which competitors have you looked at? Nikon? Minolta? SilverFast?
     
    Father Kodak, Aug 2, 2005
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