second 20D dies...

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Ryadia, Dec 16, 2004.

  1. Ryadia

    Ryadia Guest

    This is the second 20D I've had that totally died after changing lenses. No
    amount of "battery out", batter in has any effect. Geezz these cameras are
    shit! Why does it happen in the high season? why on Fridays? Why just before
    the second busiest day of my year? Because it can, I guess!

    Out with the Amex and into Nikon - or Minolta or anything that actually
    keeps working... Not another Canon product will I touch, ever again. They
    lie about the life of their photo prints and refuse to accept that the 20D
    is a lemon and recall them. Bloody mongrel Japenese company.

    Doug
     
    Ryadia, Dec 16, 2004
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  2. Please elaborate on the circumstances of BOTH failures.

    Thanx...
    Dave



    | This is the second 20D I've had that totally died after changing lenses. No
    | amount of "battery out", batter in has any effect. Geezz these cameras are
    | shit! Why does it happen in the high season? why on Fridays? Why just before
    | the second busiest day of my year? Because it can, I guess!
    |
    | Out with the Amex and into Nikon - or Minolta or anything that actually
    | keeps working... Not another Canon product will I touch, ever again. They
    | lie about the life of their photo prints and refuse to accept that the 20D
    | is a lemon and recall them. Bloody mongrel Japenese company.
    |
    | Doug
    |
    |
    |
    |
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 16, 2004
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  3. Ryadia

    Larry Guest

    troll alert....
     
    Larry, Dec 16, 2004
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  4. Spoken as a psychiatrist, or photographer?

    I sympathise with Ryadia though, it seems an extremely unlucky
    situation. My 20D (no battery grip) is fine.

    Bart
     
    Bart van der Wolf, Dec 16, 2004
    #4
  5. Spoken as a Senior Engineer. Electronics and computers are my bread and butter.
    So put the 20D on the couch :)

    Dave



    |
    | | > Please elaborate on the circumstances of BOTH failures.
    |
    | Spoken as a psychiatrist, or photographer?
    |
    | I sympathise with Ryadia though, it seems an extremely unlucky
    | situation. My 20D (no battery grip) is fine.
    |
    | Bart
    |
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 16, 2004
    #5
  6. Thanx Doug !

    Dave




    | The first camera would die whenever I changed a (Genuine Canon) lens. Pop
    | the battery and it was OK again. It died totally for no reason, in the
    | middle of a shoot in the second week of ownership. My dealer agreed to take
    | it back and sell me a different model (Canon) camera.
    |
    | The one that just died, is the first one I bought -10 days before the one
    | which died first. Until 2 weeks ago it was fine. Then it flashed all it's
    | messages in the middle of a shoot and died. It stayed dead for 3 days. I put
    | a battery in it last Monday to send it back to Canon and it booted. I've
    | shot 1900 frames with 3 different lenses since then. Yesterday I shot 20
    | frames with the flash and today, before I could shoot a frame, it died
    | completely and can't be booted.
    |
    | The only reason I accepted another Canon camera when the first one died was
    | my lenses. $2500 for a camera but $15,000 for lenses means changing brands
    | is a monster of a decision. Well... I just decided. It might take me a few
    | months but I am changing camps.
    |
    | A lot of people have speculated about the reasons for these (not just mine)
    | cameras acting up. I think in my case it is temperature related. It is high
    | summer in Australia. Daytime temperatures in Queensland are as often as not
    | close to or over 40C - sometimes up to 50C. The cameras get hot internally
    | on top of this and their top operating temperature is 44C. I think the flash
    | capacitor is interfering with the circuitry and bring the thing to a halt.
    | Whatever it is, it just is not good enough in any way, shape or form.
    |
    | I have a SD9 Sigma that has done over 130,000 frames. Every time one of
    | these Canon's shits itself, guess what bails me out of trouble? One thing I
    | know absolutely. Image quality doesn't matter a pinch if you can't deliver
    | the photos at the end of the day. The Sigma has it's idiosyncrasies but it
    | has reliability on it's side too.
    |
    | A Minolta Dynax 7D is arriving today *with* a sales rep. I'll tell you
    | tomorrow if I decide to keep it!
    |
    | Doug
    |
    |
    | | > Please elaborate on the circumstances of BOTH failures.
    | >
    | > Thanx...
    | > Dave
    | >
    | >
    | >
    | | > | This is the second 20D I've had that totally died after changing lenses.
    | No
    | > | amount of "battery out", batter in has any effect. Geezz these cameras
    | are
    | > | shit! Why does it happen in the high season? why on Fridays? Why just
    | before
    | > | the second busiest day of my year? Because it can, I guess!
    | > |
    | > | Out with the Amex and into Nikon - or Minolta or anything that actually
    | > | keeps working... Not another Canon product will I touch, ever again.
    | They
    | > | lie about the life of their photo prints and refuse to accept that the
    | 20D
    | > | is a lemon and recall them. Bloody mongrel Japenese company.
    | > |
    | > | Doug
    | > |
    | > |
    | > |
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
    |
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 16, 2004
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  7. Ryadia

    Ryadia Guest

    The first camera would die whenever I changed a (Genuine Canon) lens. Pop
    the battery and it was OK again. It died totally for no reason, in the
    middle of a shoot in the second week of ownership. My dealer agreed to take
    it back and sell me a different model (Canon) camera.

    The one that just died, is the first one I bought -10 days before the one
    which died first. Until 2 weeks ago it was fine. Then it flashed all it's
    messages in the middle of a shoot and died. It stayed dead for 3 days. I put
    a battery in it last Monday to send it back to Canon and it booted. I've
    shot 1900 frames with 3 different lenses since then. Yesterday I shot 20
    frames with the flash and today, before I could shoot a frame, it died
    completely and can't be booted.

    The only reason I accepted another Canon camera when the first one died was
    my lenses. $2500 for a camera but $15,000 for lenses means changing brands
    is a monster of a decision. Well... I just decided. It might take me a few
    months but I am changing camps.

    A lot of people have speculated about the reasons for these (not just mine)
    cameras acting up. I think in my case it is temperature related. It is high
    summer in Australia. Daytime temperatures in Queensland are as often as not
    close to or over 40C - sometimes up to 50C. The cameras get hot internally
    on top of this and their top operating temperature is 44C. I think the flash
    capacitor is interfering with the circuitry and bring the thing to a halt.
    Whatever it is, it just is not good enough in any way, shape or form.

    I have a SD9 Sigma that has done over 130,000 frames. Every time one of
    these Canon's shits itself, guess what bails me out of trouble? One thing I
    know absolutely. Image quality doesn't matter a pinch if you can't deliver
    the photos at the end of the day. The Sigma has it's idiosyncrasies but it
    has reliability on it's side too.

    A Minolta Dynax 7D is arriving today *with* a sales rep. I'll tell you
    tomorrow if I decide to keep it!

    Doug
     
    Ryadia, Dec 16, 2004
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  8. This is a legitimate feedback post -- Doug is opinionated but he is NOT a Troll !

    If Doug said he had two Canon 20D units fail -- I believe him.

    Dave



    | troll alert....
    |
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 16, 2004
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  9. Ryadia

    Alan Browne Guest

    Don't buy any loto tickets for a while either. I think there is a bad luck
    cloud over your head right now.
    You're the first I've heard with such bad luck.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 16, 2004
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  10. Ryadia

    Alan Browne Guest

    Ryadia wrote:

    Wonderful. I reccomend the 80-200 f/2.8 G (and new SSM v. 70-200), 28-70 f/2.8
    G, the 100 f/2.8 macro (razor).

    I also have and like the 20mm f/2.8, but don't use it enough.

    Given the crop factor, however, you might need to adjust your lens choices. The
    24-105 is probably a great compromise for a lot of shooting sits.

    The 5600HS(D) flash is quite good, and a Maxxum with a pair of those flashes
    properly setup off camera will give you great lighting.

    I look forward to your eval. of the 7D.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 16, 2004
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  11. Ryadia

    Ryadia Guest

    Don't worry about David, I've been accused of worse.
    Anyone who knows me, knows me.

    Back to the 20D

    I pulled the little internal battery out a while ago and recharged the
    batteries in the grip. Amazingly enough it has booted again. Someone else
    said Canon had a recognized problem with grips. Something about using AAs in
    the holder that comes with the grips. I just cleaned all the contacts in the
    battery compartment and the grip contacts. I'll see how it goes today.

    No change of getting Canon to do anything this close to Christmas so if it
    works, it can backup the 1D and I'll use the Sigma with maybe the Minolta
    for a backup, I trust it's reliability if nothing else. Otherwise it's film
    time for backups! I'm rapidly running out of backup cameras!

    Doug
     
    Ryadia, Dec 16, 2004
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  12. Ryadia

    Frank ess Guest

    I read in someone's 20D forum there were problems with the battery-grip
    snugging up to the camera body -- it didn't. Some respondents said they
    fixed it with shims, others said the shims had no effect, all said it
    quit without warning when assembled from the boxes.

    The one example I have seen fits snug and acts the way it should.

    I found the forum by Googling "20D battery grip", or something near
    that.
     
    Frank ess, Dec 16, 2004
    #12
  13. Good Lord! You're taking multiple rapid flash pix in high heat and
    humidity, with the internal flash already, and you wonder the camera chokes?

    I am not sure the high end Canons can take that type of very high stress
    shooting for a prolonged period.

    The 20D is a fine camera, but it's not truly a high end Pro camera.
    Lotsa luck with your substitutes under the same conditions.
     
    John McWilliams, Dec 17, 2004
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  14. Ryadia

    Lisa Horton Guest

    You've got a pont John. If one is using a camera in an environment at a
    temperature 6C higher than the cameras maximum operating temprature, a
    failure would be expected, not the exception. I don't think Canon was
    kidding when they said "maximum" :)

    Lisa
     
    Lisa Horton, Dec 17, 2004
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  15. Ryadia

    Ryadia Guest

    Thank you Frank.
    I've just finished doing the early Santa rounds and the 20D has run
    flawlessly *Without* the grip. I'm not sure if the grip was the problem or
    not but when I actually analize the events leading to the problem... Each
    time the batteries were 35% or less. Perhaps that has something to do with
    it. The temprature today is only about 32C and inside the centre the 20D is
    working in, it's a comfortable 26C.

    I suspect the earlier replies about "top end" cameras and high heat might be
    more related to these Prosumer cameras. I also have a 1D mark II. This is a
    relatively new camera (2 weeks old) but none the less gets worked as hard as
    the other. It hasn't faltered (yet). I guess at 4 times the price of a 20D
    it would want to be reliable.

    I leave for northern Queensland next month. The daytime temperatures are
    over 45C every day this time of the year and the cameras will not have any
    cooling other than what the wind brings. I'm also taking my 100% manual
    Mamiya 645. I'd hopes the investment in digital would have avoided this.
     
    Ryadia, Dec 17, 2004
    #15
  16. Sounds like a PEBCAK problem to me.
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Dec 17, 2004
    #16
  17. But he also thinks Sigma is a great piece of equipment.
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Dec 17, 2004
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  18. Ryadia

    Ryadia Guest

    No Minolta 7D for me!
    I don't know if Canon are leading the field with DSLRs or not. I know for an
    absolute fact that Minolta won't claim that distintion any time soon. The
    only positive I could find about this camera is that you can use your
    existing Minolta lenses with it and it makes a nice change to see how a DSLR
    viewfinder really should work. It's skin tones are pretty good, reds better
    tahn a Canon's ultra saturation but nothing earth shattering enough to
    warrant a purchase.

    The operating environment of these jiggers in the same as a 20D and you can
    tether one to a PC but the software to do that didn't arrive for the demo so
    I'll never know how it works in this mode! I like the colour (black) but
    that's about it. On it's worst day, a 10D Canon would out shoot a 7D. On
    it's best day, ...well I still have a soft spot for the name of Minolta, not
    to mention a sizable investment in their digital printers so I think I'll
    leave it at that.

    It seems that the death of my 20Ds is caused by the original battery cover
    'open' switch short circuiting when the accessory grip is in place and some
    strain put on the grip. I haven't proven that yet but the fact the camera
    shot 480 frames today without the grip attached (one battery change too),
    suggests the information I found about it and how to fix it might have
    merit. When I'm rested tomorrow, I'll get the tools out and see if it looks
    to be the case or not.

    Doug
     
    Ryadia, Dec 17, 2004
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  19. So -- What does that have to do with the price of Tea in Texas ?

    Dave



    | In article <S%[email protected]>, David H. Lipman
    |
    | > This is a legitimate feedback post -- Doug is opinionated but he is NOT a
    | > Troll !
    | >
    | > If Doug said he had two Canon 20D units fail -- I believe him.
    |
    | But he also thinks Sigma is a great piece of equipment.
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 17, 2004
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  20. Ryadia

    Petros Guest

    Lisa Horton posted:
    For a camera with a black body to only work up to 40 degrees cent. is
    scandalous!
     
    Petros, Dec 17, 2004
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