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  1. We then sent a letter to the Luton & Dunstable Hospital Trust,
    Because you'd written a (doubtless calm and well-reasoned) letter of
    complaint? Or because having removed this treatment to the private
    sector, they felt that (excepting acute complications, which the NHS
    tends to deal with very well) it should stay there?

    Were you ASKING to be referred back to the NHS?
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 6, 2006
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  2. Anne R

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    [ cross posting removed ]

    I suggest that you read what Tony actually said and not reply to what
    you think he said.
     
    :::Jerry::::, Jul 6, 2006
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  3. Anne R

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Before we went private - yes. Obviously getting a referral back to the
    NHS AFTER private diagnosis/surgery/treatment/physiotherapy wasn't
    appropriate.

    The letter to her GP wasn't in response to a referral - simply a
    response (after two months silence) to the complaint - which I should
    add was couched in reasonable, polite language.

    Interestingly, when notifying my wife of the letter, my wife's GP
    observed that he "wouldn't by choice refer any of his patients to the
    L&D". The L&D did have a pretty poor reputation, with the exception of
    it's cardiac unit.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 7, 2006
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  4. Anne R

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <44ad7c76$0$17943$>,
    Laurence does seem to have a habit of taking things that I say out of
    context :)
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 7, 2006
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  5. So physio wasn't available. You went private and got things sorted.
    Some clerk read your letter of complaint as a request for further
    treatment. He sent a standardised response.

    Out of interest - when the BUPA physio DID arrive, what was it?
    Anything you couldn't have done for yourself? Many years ago I was
    in hospital following a road accident. The physio came round. "Let's
    try to lift the leg a few inches off the bed, shall we?"
    "Er....thanks....but I did 20 circuits of the main corridor last
    night. It's loosening up nicely!"
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 7, 2006
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  6. I've brought Tony and Jerry together at last! :)
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 7, 2006
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  7. Anne R

    NoNoBadDog! Guest

    Not according to any jurisdiction that I know of.

    Perhaps you have a legal precedent you would like to cite where such a video
    was used to convict anyone?

    Bobby
     
    NoNoBadDog!, Jul 7, 2006
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  8. Anne R

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    think.

    What he actually said was;

    "After two months of silence, my wife's GP
    received a letter saying that the L&D could
    no longer accept referrals for *any diagnosis*
    or treatment of my wife" [my emphasis]

    As I said, read what TM actually said, his wife went private because
    the L&D trust could not or would not do any more treatment for the
    injury from the RTA, what TM seems to be suggesting is that the L&D
    trust (after receiving a letter of complaint about the treatment his
    wife received) decided that they were not going to treat her at all
    for anything - basically they were withdrawing all treatment from
    her.
     
    :::Jerry::::, Jul 7, 2006
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  9. Stuart McKears, Jul 7, 2006
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  10. That is indeed what he said. Did he just assume the context "in
    regard to this particular injury"? Or had he moved to Rhyll by that
    time, in which case I'm not surprised L&D wanted nothing more to do
    with it :)

    As I said - I think there's more to be told. Tony?
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 7, 2006
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  11. Laurence does seem to have a habit of taking things that I say out of
    Don't forget newsgroups are archived, Tony :)

    Shall I dig out some of your classic efforts when you've gone through
    a post paragraph by paragraph, attacking every point, ignoring
    context?
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 7, 2006
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  12. Anne R

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Stalking ?
    Trolling ?

    Whatever next ?
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 7, 2006
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  13. Anne R

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Please stop inventing things that I've said - and read just what I *did*
    say.

    Increasingly, you're behaving like a troll.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 7, 2006
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  14. Anne R

    Tony Morgan Guest

    It's exactly as I've described (and please resist the temptation to take
    things out of context and/or inventing things that I've said).

    But since you are continuing to troll, the complaint was sent before
    going private, and the letter to GP was also before going private. And
    the wording in the letter from the Trust was "referrals" - without being
    specific.

    Further my GP said that the L&D seemed to have a policy of distancing
    themselves from anyone who was (or might be) initiating litigation
    against the Trust. IMHO they *should* have first attempted to resolve
    the issues contained in the complaint - but they did/would not.

    And (since you're again inventing things) it was a long time before I
    even considered taking early retirement and moving to Rhyl.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 7, 2006
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  15. Anne R

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Again you're inventing things. Because of the failure to give proper
    treatment [1], my wife had to have major surgery on her foot - followed
    by the usual physiotherapy

    [1] Failure to set the bones correctly, which resulted in
    tendons being trapped (which would/should have
    been spotted if physio had been provided once the
    plaster had been removed).
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 7, 2006
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  16. Anne R

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Have a look at the Human Rights Act (1998) in the "exclusions" clauses.
    Specifically "Acting for the prevention of disorder or crime.".
    It's there in the Statute.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 7, 2006
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  17. Oh yes. Selective quoting. That's another of your favourites :)
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 7, 2006
    #37
  18. What you (exactly) told us was:

    "A year later because she was still unable to walk
    properly, she signed up for treatment and surgery on my private health
    insurance (which fortunately covered her). The irony is that her
    subsequent private BUPA diagnosis, treatment and surgery was with the
    very same orthopaedic specialist who treated her in the L&D hospital.

    We then sent a letter to the Luton & Dunstable Hospital Trust,
    complaining about the treatment that she had received following her
    accident. After two months of silence, my wife's GP received a letter
    saying that the L&D could no longer accept referrals for any diagnosis
    or treatment of my wife."

    That's a very clear time-line.

    Accident. Unsatisfactory NHS treatment. "A year later." Private
    treatment. You "then" sent the letter of complaint. "After two
    months of silence", the reply refusing further treatment. Not very
    consistent with the new version you've just offered :)

    I wouldn't worry about it. But I know how you value accuracy in all
    matters :)

    I think this is where you say "Pshaw!" and threaten to kill-file me
    :)
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 7, 2006
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  19. But what you SAID was:

    " She was taken to the L&D where she had her leg put in plaster which
    was removed three months later - but she was unable to obtain any
    subsequent physiotherapy or further treatment. The result was a
    misshapen foot and considerable difficulty in walking."

    You're now angling the story rather differently.

    Never mind. I trust she is walking without problems now.
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 7, 2006
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  20. Anne R

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    Can people please note that people are talking at cross purposes
    here, 'Pete' was talking about UK law, 'NoNoBadDog!' seems to be
    talking about USA law, 'Tony Morgan' is talking about EU law....
     
    :::Jerry::::, Jul 7, 2006
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