Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Doug Bashford, May 11, 2011.

  1. If ya don't know, the Canon CHDK (Firmware freeware
    hack) supercharges Canon cameras, now DSLRs too!
    It's way cool!

    Except: too bad the website, from the average non-geek's
    perspective is so painful to the point of useless.
    But I'm a non-geek, not a technophobe.
    Actually, way back when, I've coded for thousands of
    hours. It's not like I think syntax is difficult.

    I'm about to go crazy trying to figure this thing out.
    Yes, I have an ADD learning disability, and trying to
    unravel the spaghetti on the official unofficial sites
    is impossible. They don't believe in editing anything
    as this opensource thing evolves over seveal years.
    The obsolete seems as valuable to them as the current,
    if the number of words implies value.
    They seemingly have no executive people in charge of
    making anything coherent. Nothing is ever removed,
    stuff is only added. Like a tire with more patch than tire.
    (Thank goodness there is some strikout font here and there,
    tho.) Sample two sentences:

    QUOTING: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/UBASIC/TutorialScratchpad
    "***UBASIC/TutorialScratchpad***
    "The complexity and time-line of your script is only limited by
    your imagination and trying to keep your script under the 8K
    character (8192 byte) limit. (See "starting out" section above
    for script length limit; this might not be accurate any more)"
    ....end quote.

    IOW, "This and that, but perhaps not, check over there,
    and good chance that too will be laced with caveats,
    cuz who the hell can keep track of this ball of endless
    string? ...Why YOU the newbie learner can!"

    That's not particularly bad, I quote it because it's typical
    and concise. In another place they state that a whole
    otherwise obsolete page is kept alive because two sentences
    are not on this (the current) page. What? One page, marked
    the Best, Latest Code! seems cool, one studies that
    script, trying to figure it out for a looong time,
    only to discover oops, that's obsolete, and NOW here's
    the zoomzoom version! One informative intro tells me where
    to get the latest (beta only) firmware for my cam...wow that's a
    thread with over 1,000 replies!... mod after update and no firm
    decisive place to look as we listen to one exciting tale of
    coding and failure and fix after another. I crossed my
    fingers & got one, I can only hope it's ok.
    Did I mention it's like trying to find one unmarked
    strand of spaghetti a plate of spaghetti that for my purposes
    should only have that one strand on it?

    To be fair, from appearances, if my camera's CHDK version
    was not STILL languishing in BETA, then there does seem to be
    a nifty pointing mechanism to the real builds that one might find
    in less than an hour or so. And the German version has
    been out for a long time, I could try Google-translate
    on it I guess, but mention of that version is nil,.
    ...or buried in the ball of spaghetti ---
    as with all things...WHO KNOWS?
    To be fair, it's possible that this limbo status is not typical,
    and is the most unfriendly, confusing place of all to be.

    That's where I am now. After more than 12+ hours I'm
    finding the best intervalometer to test, I'd like
    to shoot 3fps, but default is one shot per 5 secs.
    I think I'll come close. If it works. BETA, remember?
    Everybody has time to squander, right? ...I mean invest.

    The way it looks is, the build I found stopped development
    ( sx120is-100b-0.9.9-912-full )
    over six months ago. One wonders if that's because somebody
    had a crisis, or because it was good enough? ...and being
    without leadership, nobody made the final push to take
    it out of BETA and to the public? Six moths ago somebody
    said it works. Supposedly not good enough, but what is
    it missing, or whatever? --- as with all things...WHO KNOWS?
    Should a newbie try it, why or why not?...WHO KNOWS?
    Not this newbie.

    Again, I think I'm going to like CHDK. My complaint is
    not with that. It's the two Web sites. They need to
    take some clues from Wikipedia, which has strict
    guidelines, rules, and "official" unofficial editors
    and censors (leadership). Those sites may work fine
    as software development sites, but their public interface,
    the only part I see and comment on, sucks and they sucks
    Big Time. Of course Wikipedia would have it nailed,
    cuz communication is what they do. ...and they KNOW
    communication is difficult.

    ....and to the haughty troll with sockpuppets on
    rec.photo.digital,
    how DARE I "complain about freeware?" Just like this, pal.
    The Internet runs on freeware, and it all gets reviewed. Dry up.
    Your "ideas" are as stimulating as old, fading jock itch.
    I review it because I care for it. Happy happy, it's free.
    --Doug



    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
     
    Doug Bashford, May 11, 2011
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  2. Doug Bashford

    Peter Chant Guest

    Why not volenteer to help tidy up the website? CHDK is open souce so they
    may amenable to help with tidying the website up.
     
    Peter Chant, May 11, 2011
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  3. Doug Bashford

    K W Hart Guest

    The "firmware" in my Canon FX is updated to the latest version early time I
    load in a new roll of film.

    Maybe this digital stuff isn't so great after all?
     
    K W Hart, May 11, 2011
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  4. Doug Bashford

    ASCII Guest

    There isn't a roll of film long enough to retain the number of shots I get
    onto a postage stamp size memory chip, plus I can see if here are any
    corrections suggested before leaving some photo shoot venue.
     
    ASCII, May 11, 2011
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    Mark L Guest

    Whatta (fucking) maroon!

    How's that for being helpfully succinct.
     
    Mark L, May 11, 2011
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  6. Doug Bashford

    Mark L Guest

    The last time a manic moron like him tried to do that they had to close
    down all editing on the whole site until the piece of shit idiot went away.
    Because they can't even comprehend the "CHDK for Dummies" section they have
    no clue what anything there means. Ergo, they CAN'T help. They can only
    make things worse. In fact much of the convoluted references that you see
    there now is due to people just like him.
     
    Mark L, May 11, 2011
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  7. Doug Bashford

    Mark L Guest

    The last time a manic moron like him tried to do that they had to close
    down all editing on the whole site until the piece of shit idiot went away.
    Because they can't even comprehend the "CHDK for Dummies" section they have
    no clue what anything there means. Ergo, they CAN'T help. They can only
    make things worse. In fact much of the convoluted references that you see
    there now is due to people just like him.
     
    Mark L, May 11, 2011
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  8. Watch your language. There are no enemies around.
     
    Peter Schwart, May 12, 2011
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  9. Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;
    I wouldn't mind doing that at all.
    But I think it's a "values" thing.
    I really do think they cherish the old, obsolete
    code...perhaps for sentimental reasons, - I can relate
    to old code and baby pics etc.... .

    Second, one would have to know far more than I do
    about what's what. I'm such a newbie I don't
    even know the terminology yet.

    Last, as a writer, I hate having people edit my stuff!
    I'd feel weird asking.

    Perhaps they should put up a sign:
    LOOK AT THIS MESS! ...Can anybody help?

    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
     
    Doug Bashford, May 12, 2011
    #9
  10. (repaired truncated NG list..)

    Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;
    I wouldn't mind doing that at all.
    But I think it's a "values" thing.
    I really do think they cherish the old, obsolete
    code...perhaps for sentimental reasons, - I can relate
    to old code and baby pics etc.... .

    Second, one would have to know far more than I do
    about what's what. I'm such a newbie I don't
    even know the terminology yet.

    Last, as a writer, I hate having people edit my stuff!
    I'd feel weird asking.

    Perhaps they should put up a sign:
    LOOK AT THIS MESS! ...Can anybody help?

    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.

    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
     
    Doug Bashford, May 13, 2011
    #10
  11. Doug Bashford

    The Henchman Guest

    "Doug Bashford" wrote in message

    ------------------------


    Anyone even understand what the OP is saying in this post? His post is
    mixed up and uses far too many metaphors... Reads like, well like it's
    garbage.
     
    The Henchman, May 13, 2011
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    Bruce Guest


    I think the problem is that the insane twist the facts to fit their
    world view. ;-)
     
    Bruce, May 13, 2011
    #12
  13. Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;
    Here's the text from a few signs I ran into
    at Wiki. While they request something different,
    they do project an attitude to jump in and help,
    and no "anything is good enough."

    ========wiki sign quotes:


    This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality
    standards. Please improve this article if you can. The talk page
    may contain suggestions. (February 2011)


    This is the **talk page** for discussing improvements to the
    article.
    * This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's
    subject.
    * Put new text under old text. Start a new topic.
    * Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes
    (~~~~).
    * New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Ask questions, get answers.


    Article policies
    * No original research
    * Neutral point of view
    * Verifiability


    Any sections with no replies in 1 week may be automatically
    moved. Sections without timestamps are not archived.

    ========end quotes

    One of the big difference between Wiki and the two
    CHDK domains is the often unclean discussion is done
    in the background...the general public never
    sees it.

    Also articles are graded. For examples "Dark Ages"
    went from good to probation to delisted to now
    it's in chaos after a major diambiguation and the
    "loss" of the stalemated debate. (The Christians
    want to "memory hole" the term "Dark Ages.")
    Aticles are graded by at least two factors,
    topic importance, and quality.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole





    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
     
    Doug Bashford, May 14, 2011
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  14. about: Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;

    Thanks for the feedback. Disorganized?
    Yup. I didn't know it was so bad.

    Do you understand this part?

    They don't believe in editing anything
    as this opensource thing evolves over seveal years.
    The obsolete seems as valuable to them as the current,
    if the number of words implies value.

    They seemingly have no executive people in charge of
    making anything coherent. Nothing is ever removed,
    stuff is only added.
    ....Like a tire with more patch than tire.

    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
     
    Doug Bashford, May 14, 2011
    #14
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    John A. Guest

    "...if..." -> "...as if..."
     
    John A., May 14, 2011
    #15
  16. In the Usenet Newsgroups rec.photo.equipment.35mm,
    rec.photo.digital, and rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,
    Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;

    What's an OP?
    Huh? Care to expand?




    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
     
    Doug Bashford, May 14, 2011
    #16
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    Allen Guest

    I don't know who the OP (ORIGINAL POSTER) is, but he seems to think that
    CHDK is a vast, rich business, Tell me, OP, how much have you paid for
    any CHDK download? At that price as an average, how many D/Ls would they
    have to sell to afford the executive people you think hey should have?
    Allen
     
    Allen, May 14, 2011
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  18. Doug Bashford

    The Henchman Guest

    Thanks for the feedback. Disorganized?
    Yup. I didn't know it was so bad.

    ------------------------

    You are complaining about a website's use of poor language when you yourself
    are difficult to read and understand. You were rambling in your complaint
    of some website and the free services they offer.

    You use metaphors and poetry to construct your argument. Next time try
    simple and straightforward so that 95% of the English reading world can
    understand you

    I say you are the kettle calling the pot black.
     
    The Henchman, May 15, 2011
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  19. This is probably because they are all having fun coding and
    noone wants the drudgery of cleaning up documentation.
    (After all, they aren't paid.)
    They don't.
    Anyone (you!) willing to pay for them?
    Bah. It says "We currently have a 8k limit on scripts, but
    we are working on improving/lifting that limit. See there if
    we already managed, because we'll announce it there and there
    is no guarantee someone will remember to fix that here."
    It's a wiki. Go ahead and improve it.

    Stupid. The clever thing's to go to the end, scan backwards
    and see what failures the current beta has until you come to
    the announcement of it. Failing that, check the first post,
    maybe it's been edited for each beta.
    So pay someone for filtering the view. Other people need
    other strands of spaghetti, don't forget that.
    Maybe you should help testing and/or coding and/or
    documenting. It's a volunteer effort.
    I guess I could find the latest beta for your camera in less than
    15 minutes, given the above algorithms.
    In this case, BETA is not for you. Wait for someone to do a
    commercially supported full release.
    It's a wiki. Go ahead and improve it.
    Free (as in libre) and Open Source Software (FOSS). It's not
    (only) free as in free beer. You (also) get the source and the
    rights to use and modify as you please, except cutting these
    rights from other parties.
    FOSS.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 16, 2011
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  20. Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;
    That would be me.
    Huh!? However did you reach THAT conclusion!?
    Jumping eye-closed perhaps?
    The asking price. What a silly question.
    Did you bother to read the OP?
    Suggest you read the whole thread, then see
    if you can figure it out.

    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
     
    Doug Bashford, May 24, 2011
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