Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?

Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;

Hogwash. Wikipedia proves that. A thousand popular
freewares prove that. The exceptions are one-man
operations such as Irfanview, yet even there one
can zap in and get it within minutes.

Ha. As noted, I can't even register to log on to
setepontos. By now they owe me ~6 verify reg emails.
Normally I *NEVER* register, **** that intrusive shit.


The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.

 

Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;

As I said above;
I can't help but think that the pages of obsolete
material are there for more than apathetic
neglect, but for a feeling, or tradition, or
some such that I can't put my finger on.
I've suggested "sentimental value" as a possibility.
(Some hoarders have that.)

Fix that feeling, install the Wikipedia attitude there,
problem solved. Both places are chock full of experts
who want to help. One place gives direction, the other
gives zero. One has worldclass quality documentation, one
has a spoiled teenager's bedroom. This aint rocket science.

What's odd here is that nobody here has denied the
mess, yet everybody acts like (ironically) that's not a
problem, or that's inevitable, or that's normal.
....as if it has no cause, or the problem is intractable.
....or that since I dare to notice, *I*, me a newbie,
should fix it!

With THAT kind of attitude how could there *NOT* be that
problem? Yes, the problem is failure to take
responsibility, duh, it's time to stop the fingerpointing
and for YOU the experts to do some entropy repair.

Let's talk fixing.

Page after page I'm told I must have Fungi's build
or Allbest or DIGIC II or how fantastic some other
*long* obsolete thing is, but oops down at the bottom
there might be some current info. It claims to be
oh-so-hot too, but as is typical, it's not dated either.
Seems +70% is three years or older, and mixed in with
the new and valid.

So the solution is a surgical bulldozer!!?? Mass,
pinpoint deletion?

Or is it reorganization?

Here's one idea. How about a new section
for DIGIC 4? ...at least that defines an era.
There's a zillion possibilities. But that's
what we called in the military: a command
decision. Who's in charge?




The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.

 

Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;

Yet the facts prove otherwise. *YOU* are one
example, as is Wikipedia and a zillion other
freewares. Yet your attitude/excuse seems to be the
prevailing one. As long as everybody ignores
the fact that these sites are brim full of
experts (such as yourself) who want to help
for free, then we have self-fullfilling prophesy.
For example, where are the guidelines for
cleaning up those messes that Wikipedia has?

"Oh they aint there cuz nobody would even if
they could!"

See what I mean? I'm tempted to use very
strong language here, but sufice to say, that's
a loser's excuse. Pre-ordained failure.

To again risk losing focus in the name of the
Big Picture: Fox-Limbaugh&Co's cynical greed-based
Randroid economic model being crammed down everybody's
throat is full of shit, and reality proves it, proves it,
proves it. (Jesus was right, goddamn it.)

The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.

 

I would suggest it is a result not of apathy, but anarchy, compounded
by the fact that the first language of so many of the contributors is
not English. Couple that with a desire not to offend anyone by
removing their particular contribution, and the result is an
uncontrolled mess.

You should demand a full and complete refund. ;-)

 

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Excuses? Excuse me, but what is your excuse for still breathing?

Sure --- if you throw money on the problem, or motivate people or
do something yourself. What is your excuse not to do so but to
complain (and here, where the relevant people don't read) instead?

Sunlight and industrial revolution.

BTW, a question doesn't get more questioning by multiple question
marks, it only gets questionable.

And you should learn to mark your signatures with a line containing
only "-- " (yes, the space is relevant!).

-Wolfgang

 

For example, "intellectual property" isn't.

It's really hard to steal intellectual property. You'd need to
e.g. break into an inventor's house, take *all* his papers and
plans for the invention, get all the backups from the bank and
wherever, and finally cause an amnesia in the inventor's brain
so he cannot 'just' recreate the plans and papers.

It's hard to copy non-mass produced property, though some things
(like jewlery) are easier than other things (like land).

a clear cost to society. And remember, all these intellectual
"property" stuff is granted on the premise that it will enrich
society as a whole, not to enrich the makers or buyers of such
rights. The idea is to let the makers (and not the buyers, and not
the grandchildren of makers or buyers!) make a living of creating.

For that arguably 20 or 30 years copyright after creation or
publication is more than enough.

And thus is broken.

Next time, spend 15 minutes checking your assumptions.

-Wolfgang

 

Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:



.........big snip

Why do you insist on dodging responsibility
and blame-the-victim...ANYTHING but address
the source, address the problem?

Ya know vooofie, you are in danger of appearing
as blind and obstanant as Walter. Why aint you
paying attention?...why ignore me?...putting words in my
mouth? ....Same as Walter I'm guessing. You twist
reality to your assumptions rather than vice versa,
or even rather than pure-neutral evaluation.

I wrote almost a year ago:
========================begin repost:
about: Year Later, CHDK coming SOON for Canon Ultra-Zoom
SX120. - Motion Detection, Remote Shutter, Time Lapse, etc;

...............snip evidence

========end repost

Why do you create lies or fault into my position?
Why do you act like a parent garding his godlike,
faultless child against evil accusers?

Isn't *THAT* the root of this problem?


.....Failure of the poo-bahs to take any responsibility?
Finger-point and blame the casual user?....
Failure to accept constructive criticism? etc etc and
related?

Oh no, it just happened! There is no counter to Entrophy
Law! It's all *their* fault! We's just helpless fairies
of goodness in an EVIL NASTY WORLD! THEM THEM THEM!!!!


It seems to me that most big problems remain
big problems because people choose the home team rather
than side with the truth or the correct or a solution.

"We've always been at war with..."
About 327,000 google results

http://www.google.com/search?q="We'...with"&hl=en&num=30&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=off&tbs=




The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.

 

Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;

Laughing! I'm far more dastardly than that.
I'm suggesting change! [evil laugh prolly from a dugeon]

Sure, not being mind readers we guess, could be.
Anarchy, in the sense of no-direction, a free-for-all,
-that's how I see it, but I've never explored the
foundational guidlines...if they even exist.
The solution could be as simple as Wikipedia's,
post guidline signs in the common areas.

Signs should say:
1) clean up your own mess. Evolve your pages, not patch
them.

2) Date each change and comment as well as giving build
numbers etc.

3) Aim at the newbies who see walls of inpenetrable
jargon (such as build numbers and authors)

4) The normal desire not to offend anyone needs to be
gently discouraged in the name of quality product, which
needs to rise as the new goal. Again, see how Wikipedia
does this (mostly with signs, but also essays, how-to,
templates, discussion, whatever...that only the movers
and doers see).

They need to reorganize. I'm sure a pure forum
format worked perfectly for the first year or three.
But now we see it's weakness, failure of
orderly evolution. They need what Wikipedia has,
a discussion area and a *product area*. The
product is the finished products, the working
software, duh.
They prolly also need archive areas for the
obsolete stuff for 1) old software/cameras and
2) old discussions etc.

The way to implement that is do not attempt
to repair what's there, leave it alone,
abandon it. Now start a new section called
2011 or DIGIC 4 or some such natural and
obvious (but naturally changing) boundary.
Put in those signs and guidlines and *encourage*
deletion, particularly from the original authors.

It's not rocket science. If you don't ask
quality from your team, guess what you get?
If a teenager isn't directed to clean up his
room, ...what do we *KNOW* will happen?
Entropy is a law of nature, of thermodynamics.
Physical Law. Physics. Reality.
It says: without direction and energy: chaos grows.






The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.

 

Uh? The problem was you bought a camera *assuming* CHDK was ready
for it --- but CHDK wasn't. You were rather unhappy about that,
found that the CHDK wasn't up to your documentation standards and
wanted immediate change and action, because you paid top dollar
for your camera.

That's the source.

You venting here instead of where CHDK people might read it.

That's the problem.


I don't dodge responsibility --- CHDK isn't mine, and it was *your*
responsibility to check before you buy.

And if you shirk your responsibilities, then I feel it fair to blame
you, even if you *think* you're a victim.

| There is nothing more dangerous than someone who thinks of himself as a
| victim. Victims feel it's within their rights to **** over everyone.
| --Cynthia Heimel

Huh? Whatzzup? Channelling some insane mind?

Hey, I'm *not* required to remember everything anyone posted a year
ago --- under a *different* *name*!

So you make a "wild quess"[sic!] and didn't even ccheck if that
guess ever came true ...

No. It's *your* problem with CHDK not being what you want it to
be, and you being unwilling to help transforming it.

Sorry, since I am not involved at all with CHDK, I'm completely
neutral. I just don't like your "It's not pre-chewed, it's not
pre-digested, it's still in beta and it's not ready yet for me poor
casual user who didn't bother to check". Tough luck.

Ask your head shrink, and really, I don't care if you end up with a
shrunken head in the process:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrunken_head

And that's the reason CHDK isn't what you want it to be?

OK, you _are_ twisting the facts to fit your world view by now.

-Wolfgang

 

Wikipedia is documentation, CHDK is a camera and the Earth is a disk.

Name 100 which run on at least half as many different platforms
as CHDK and offer at least half the features CHDK offers.

Irfanview isn't complicated, CHDK is.

The wiki is at
http://chdk.wikia.com
and needs no registering.

Look into your spam folder. Or try entering your real email
address.

Verifying emails aren't intrusive.

-Wolfgang

 

More doing, less talking.

Sure, reverse gravity and we can walk to the moon.

Well, maybe it is, and you are just creating problems where
none are.

I am not bothered by it, so why should *I* fix it, or even care?

You, Doug, are an idiot. How come *we* are to be CHDK experts and
how come *we* have to pre-chew and pre-digest everything for you?

You're shirking all your responsibilities, but you dare telling us
ours? Isn't that a case of the pot calling the polar bear black?

Let's see you *do* fixing. Talking is cheap.

At the top of the Wiki you are told your camera isn't supported.
It's in Beta. If you cannot deal with that, get the **** out of
the steam.

[Doug being too stupid to deal with a forum]

No, it's you starting to learn how to deal with a forum.

Again, you don't understand, grasshopper.
Even though you have been told.

I think you are trolling.

-Wolfgang

 

That may be you, but it's certainly not me.

You are not talking about
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_User_Manual
but about a forum for a certain beta software.

It's not a case of buttons, it's a case of stupid use cases and
usability. Immediately an onscreen keyboard with cursors and/or
T9 comes to mind.

-Wolfgang

 

: >As I said above;
: >I can't help but think that the pages of obsolete
: >material are there for more than apathetic
: >neglect, but for a feeling, or tradition, or
: >some such that I can't put my finger on.
: >I've suggested "sentimental value" as a possibility.


: I would suggest it is a result not of apathy, but anarchy, compounded
: by the fact that the first language of so many of the contributors is
: not English. Couple that with a desire not to offend anyone by
: removing their particular contribution, and the result is an
: uncontrolled mess.

: You should demand a full and complete refund. ;-)

I've been using the hack tools for over a year now and never had a problem
making sense of the website or the information there.

--

 

: DanP wrote:

: > > All of the third party code sets that I know about have appropriate code
: > > licensing. It is primarily a myth about hacked ECU code magically providing
: > > dramatic performance improvements. Getting rid of RPM limiters in hacked
: > > code generally would be an invitation for broken valve springs and bearing
: > > failures in street cars. It is a self correcting problem
: > >
: > > Walter Banks
: > > Byte Craft Limited
: >
: > But the user can use non licensed codes, right? Losing the warranty of
: > course.
: > No car manufacturer would object to it, only advise against it.
: >

: It is like any third party add on. Third parties develop original work or
: a combination of licensed and original IP Owners can use the software
: it at their own risk.

: CHDK is mostly Canon's unlicensed IP and that is where the issues
: start to come into it. There is original IP in CHDK that could have
: been turned into an interesting product in my opinion. There is other
: third party code written to support Canon camera's licensed through
: Canon's SDK.

I'm sorry for jumping late but what unlicensed Canon IP is chdk using?


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