Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Doug Bashford, May 11, 2011.

  1. Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;

    Hogwash. Wikipedia proves that. A thousand popular
    freewares prove that. The exceptions are one-man
    operations such as Irfanview, yet even there one
    can zap in and get it within minutes.
    Ha. As noted, I can't even register to log on to
    setepontos. By now they owe me ~6 verify reg emails.
    Normally I *NEVER* register, **** that intrusive shit.


    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
     
    Doug Bashford, Jun 16, 2011
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  2. Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;

    As I said above;
    I can't help but think that the pages of obsolete
    material are there for more than apathetic
    neglect, but for a feeling, or tradition, or
    some such that I can't put my finger on.
    I've suggested "sentimental value" as a possibility.
    (Some hoarders have that.)

    Fix that feeling, install the Wikipedia attitude there,
    problem solved. Both places are chock full of experts
    who want to help. One place gives direction, the other
    gives zero. One has worldclass quality documentation, one
    has a spoiled teenager's bedroom. This aint rocket science.

    What's odd here is that nobody here has denied the
    mess, yet everybody acts like (ironically) that's not a
    problem, or that's inevitable, or that's normal.
    ....as if it has no cause, or the problem is intractable.
    ....or that since I dare to notice, *I*, me a newbie,
    should fix it!

    With THAT kind of attitude how could there *NOT* be that
    problem? Yes, the problem is failure to take
    responsibility, duh, it's time to stop the fingerpointing
    and for YOU the experts to do some entropy repair.

    Let's talk fixing.

    Page after page I'm told I must have Fungi's build
    or Allbest or DIGIC II or how fantastic some other
    *long* obsolete thing is, but oops down at the bottom
    there might be some current info. It claims to be
    oh-so-hot too, but as is typical, it's not dated either.
    Seems +70% is three years or older, and mixed in with
    the new and valid.

    So the solution is a surgical bulldozer!!?? Mass,
    pinpoint deletion?

    Or is it reorganization?

    Here's one idea. How about a new section
    for DIGIC 4? ...at least that defines an era.
    There's a zillion possibilities. But that's
    what we called in the military: a command
    decision. Who's in charge?




    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
     
    Doug Bashford, Jun 16, 2011
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  3. Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;
    Yet the facts prove otherwise. *YOU* are one
    example, as is Wikipedia and a zillion other
    freewares. Yet your attitude/excuse seems to be the
    prevailing one. As long as everybody ignores
    the fact that these sites are brim full of
    experts (such as yourself) who want to help
    for free, then we have self-fullfilling prophesy.
    For example, where are the guidelines for
    cleaning up those messes that Wikipedia has?

    "Oh they aint there cuz nobody would even if
    they could!"

    See what I mean? I'm tempted to use very
    strong language here, but sufice to say, that's
    a loser's excuse. Pre-ordained failure.

    To again risk losing focus in the name of the
    Big Picture: Fox-Limbaugh&Co's cynical greed-based
    Randroid economic model being crammed down everybody's
    throat is full of shit, and reality proves it, proves it,
    proves it. (Jesus was right, goddamn it.)

    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
     
    Doug Bashford, Jun 16, 2011
    #63
  4. Doug Bashford

    Bruce Guest


    I would suggest it is a result not of apathy, but anarchy, compounded
    by the fact that the first language of so many of the contributors is
    not English. Couple that with a desire not to offend anyone by
    removing their particular contribution, and the result is an
    uncontrolled mess.

    You should demand a full and complete refund. ;-)
     
    Bruce, Jun 16, 2011
    #64
  5. [/QUOTE]
    Excuses? Excuse me, but what is your excuse for still breathing?
    :)
    Sure --- if you throw money on the problem, or motivate people or
    do something yourself. What is your excuse not to do so but to
    complain (and here, where the relevant people don't read) instead?
    Sunlight and industrial revolution.

    BTW, a question doesn't get more questioning by multiple question
    marks, it only gets questionable.
    And you should learn to mark your signatures with a line containing
    only "-- " (yes, the space is relevant!).

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 16, 2011
    #65
  6. For example, "intellectual property" isn't.
    It's really hard to steal intellectual property. You'd need to
    e.g. break into an inventor's house, take *all* his papers and
    plans for the invention, get all the backups from the bank and
    wherever, and finally cause an amnesia in the inventor's brain
    so he cannot 'just' recreate the plans and papers.

    It's hard to copy non-mass produced property, though some things
    (like jewlery) are easier than other things (like land).
    a clear cost to society. And remember, all these intellectual
    "property" stuff is granted on the premise that it will enrich
    society as a whole, not to enrich the makers or buyers of such
    rights. The idea is to let the makers (and not the buyers, and not
    the grandchildren of makers or buyers!) make a living of creating.

    For that arguably 20 or 30 years copyright after creation or
    publication is more than enough.
    And thus is broken.
    Next time, spend 15 minutes checking your assumptions.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 16, 2011
    #66
  7. Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;
    On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:



    .........big snip
    Why do you insist on dodging responsibility
    and blame-the-victim...ANYTHING but address
    the source, address the problem?

    Ya know vooofie, you are in danger of appearing
    as blind and obstanant as Walter. Why aint you
    paying attention?...why ignore me?...putting words in my
    mouth? ....Same as Walter I'm guessing. You twist
    reality to your assumptions rather than vice versa,
    or even rather than pure-neutral evaluation.

    I wrote almost a year ago:
    ========================begin repost:
    about: Year Later, CHDK coming SOON for Canon Ultra-Zoom
    SX120. - Motion Detection, Remote Shutter, Time Lapse, etc;

    ...............snip evidence
    ========end repost

    Why do you create lies or fault into my position?
    Why do you act like a parent garding his godlike,
    faultless child against evil accusers?

    Isn't *THAT* the root of this problem?


    .....Failure of the poo-bahs to take any responsibility?
    Finger-point and blame the casual user?....
    Failure to accept constructive criticism? etc etc and
    related?

    Oh no, it just happened! There is no counter to Entrophy
    Law! It's all *their* fault! We's just helpless fairies
    of goodness in an EVIL NASTY WORLD! THEM THEM THEM!!!!


    It seems to me that most big problems remain
    big problems because people choose the home team rather
    than side with the truth or the correct or a solution.

    "We've always been at war with..."
    About 327,000 google results

    http://www.google.com/search?q="We'...with"&hl=en&num=30&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=off&tbs=




    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
     
    Doug Bashford, Jun 18, 2011
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  8. Re: Seeking a concise Canon CHDK (Firmware hack) site?;
    Laughing! I'm far more dastardly than that.
    I'm suggesting change! [evil laugh prolly from a dugeon]
    Sure, not being mind readers we guess, could be.
    Anarchy, in the sense of no-direction, a free-for-all,
    -that's how I see it, but I've never explored the
    foundational guidlines...if they even exist.
    The solution could be as simple as Wikipedia's,
    post guidline signs in the common areas.

    Signs should say:
    1) clean up your own mess. Evolve your pages, not patch
    them.

    2) Date each change and comment as well as giving build
    numbers etc.

    3) Aim at the newbies who see walls of inpenetrable
    jargon (such as build numbers and authors)

    4) The normal desire not to offend anyone needs to be
    gently discouraged in the name of quality product, which
    needs to rise as the new goal. Again, see how Wikipedia
    does this (mostly with signs, but also essays, how-to,
    templates, discussion, whatever...that only the movers
    and doers see).

    They need to reorganize. I'm sure a pure forum
    format worked perfectly for the first year or three.
    But now we see it's weakness, failure of
    orderly evolution. They need what Wikipedia has,
    a discussion area and a *product area*. The
    product is the finished products, the working
    software, duh.
    They prolly also need archive areas for the
    obsolete stuff for 1) old software/cameras and
    2) old discussions etc.

    The way to implement that is do not attempt
    to repair what's there, leave it alone,
    abandon it. Now start a new section called
    2011 or DIGIC 4 or some such natural and
    obvious (but naturally changing) boundary.
    Put in those signs and guidlines and *encourage*
    deletion, particularly from the original authors.

    It's not rocket science. If you don't ask
    quality from your team, guess what you get?
    If a teenager isn't directed to clean up his
    room, ...what do we *KNOW* will happen?
    Entropy is a law of nature, of thermodynamics.
    Physical Law. Physics. Reality.
    It says: without direction and energy: chaos grows.






    The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
    The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
     
    Doug Bashford, Jun 18, 2011
    #68
  9. Uh? The problem was you bought a camera *assuming* CHDK was ready
    for it --- but CHDK wasn't. You were rather unhappy about that,
    found that the CHDK wasn't up to your documentation standards and
    wanted immediate change and action, because you paid top dollar
    for your camera.

    That's the source.

    You venting here instead of where CHDK people might read it.

    That's the problem.


    I don't dodge responsibility --- CHDK isn't mine, and it was *your*
    responsibility to check before you buy.

    And if you shirk your responsibilities, then I feel it fair to blame
    you, even if you *think* you're a victim.

    | There is nothing more dangerous than someone who thinks of himself as a
    | victim. Victims feel it's within their rights to **** over everyone.
    | --Cynthia Heimel

    Huh? Whatzzup? Channelling some insane mind?

    Hey, I'm *not* required to remember everything anyone posted a year
    ago --- under a *different* *name*!
    So you make a "wild quess"[sic!] and didn't even ccheck if that
    guess ever came true ...
    No. It's *your* problem with CHDK not being what you want it to
    be, and you being unwilling to help transforming it.
    Sorry, since I am not involved at all with CHDK, I'm completely
    neutral. I just don't like your "It's not pre-chewed, it's not
    pre-digested, it's still in beta and it's not ready yet for me poor
    casual user who didn't bother to check". Tough luck.
    Ask your head shrink, and really, I don't care if you end up with a
    shrunken head in the process:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrunken_head

    And that's the reason CHDK isn't what you want it to be?

    OK, you _are_ twisting the facts to fit your world view by now.
    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 22, 2011
    #69
  10. Wikipedia is documentation, CHDK is a camera and the Earth is a disk.

    Name 100 which run on at least half as many different platforms
    as CHDK and offer at least half the features CHDK offers.

    Irfanview isn't complicated, CHDK is.

    The wiki is at
    http://chdk.wikia.com
    and needs no registering.
    Look into your spam folder. Or try entering your real email
    address.
    Verifying emails aren't intrusive.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 22, 2011
    #70
  11. More doing, less talking.
    Sure, reverse gravity and we can walk to the moon.
    Well, maybe it is, and you are just creating problems where
    none are.
    I am not bothered by it, so why should *I* fix it, or even care?
    You, Doug, are an idiot. How come *we* are to be CHDK experts and
    how come *we* have to pre-chew and pre-digest everything for you?

    You're shirking all your responsibilities, but you dare telling us
    ours? Isn't that a case of the pot calling the polar bear black?
    Let's see you *do* fixing. Talking is cheap.
    At the top of the Wiki you are told your camera isn't supported.
    It's in Beta. If you cannot deal with that, get the **** out of
    the steam.

    [Doug being too stupid to deal with a forum]
    No, it's you starting to learn how to deal with a forum.
    Again, you don't understand, grasshopper.
    Even though you have been told.

    I think you are trolling.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 22, 2011
    #71
  12. That may be you, but it's certainly not me.
    You are not talking about
    http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_User_Manual
    but about a forum for a certain beta software.
    It's not a case of buttons, it's a case of stupid use cases and
    usability. Immediately an onscreen keyboard with cursors and/or
    T9 comes to mind.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 22, 2011
    #72
  13. Doug Bashford

    Frank Pittel Guest

    : >As I said above;
    : >I can't help but think that the pages of obsolete
    : >material are there for more than apathetic
    : >neglect, but for a feeling, or tradition, or
    : >some such that I can't put my finger on.
    : >I've suggested "sentimental value" as a possibility.


    : I would suggest it is a result not of apathy, but anarchy, compounded
    : by the fact that the first language of so many of the contributors is
    : not English. Couple that with a desire not to offend anyone by
    : removing their particular contribution, and the result is an
    : uncontrolled mess.

    : You should demand a full and complete refund. ;-)

    I've been using the hack tools for over a year now and never had a problem
    making sense of the website or the information there.

    --
     
    Frank Pittel, Jul 1, 2011
    #73
  14. Doug Bashford

    Frank Pittel Guest

    : DanP wrote:

    : > > All of the third party code sets that I know about have appropriate code
    : > > licensing. It is primarily a myth about hacked ECU code magically providing
    : > > dramatic performance improvements. Getting rid of RPM limiters in hacked
    : > > code generally would be an invitation for broken valve springs and bearing
    : > > failures in street cars. It is a self correcting problem
    : > >
    : > > Walter Banks
    : > > Byte Craft Limited
    : >
    : > But the user can use non licensed codes, right? Losing the warranty of
    : > course.
    : > No car manufacturer would object to it, only advise against it.
    : >

    : It is like any third party add on. Third parties develop original work or
    : a combination of licensed and original IP Owners can use the software
    : it at their own risk.

    : CHDK is mostly Canon's unlicensed IP and that is where the issues
    : start to come into it. There is original IP in CHDK that could have
    : been turned into an interesting product in my opinion. There is other
    : third party code written to support Canon camera's licensed through
    : Canon's SDK.

    I'm sorry for jumping late but what unlicensed Canon IP is chdk using?


    --
     
    Frank Pittel, Jul 1, 2011
    #74
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