Sennheiser EW100 Opinion? Or general UHF Lav reccomendation?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Joe, Oct 25, 2003.

  1. Joe

    Joe Guest

    Hi All,


    Looking at a EW100 wireless lav combo. Anyone have experience with this
    rig? It looks good, but is not a diversity system.

    Any thoughts on where this would be better than say a Samson diversity
    wireless set? Both can be had at about the same price.

    Thanks!



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    Joe, Oct 25, 2003
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  2. Joe

    SHOOTER Guest


    You can not buy a better wireless than sennheiser unless you spent
    double the money.
     
    SHOOTER, Oct 25, 2003
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  3. Joe

    Exit 16 Guest

    Unless you buy a lectrosonics....
     
    Exit 16, Oct 26, 2003
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    Tim Mitchell Guest

    ? EW100 *is* a diversity system. We use them a lot and they are very
    reliable, the slightly obscure power on/off system is the only problem.
    And the balanced output is on a jack which usually means adaptors to
    XLR.
     
    Tim Mitchell, Oct 27, 2003
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    Gregory Lee Guest

    I noticed the Evolution 100 series with the portable receiver only has
    one antenna, leading me to believe that it is not true-diversity. Is
    that correct?
     
    Gregory Lee, Oct 28, 2003
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  6. Joe

    Tim Mitchell Guest

    You are right, the EK100 portable receiver is not diversity. I was
    getting confused thinking of the rack mount receiver.
     
    Tim Mitchell, Oct 28, 2003
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  7. You are a true believer my friend ,only the receiver can be diversity or not
    ,the same transmitter is working in the same way with both of them.
    The diversity reception is, or you have 2 receivers in the same box and the
    circuit is checking where is the good signal is or antenna diversity then
    the receiver is checking where is the better signal is coming from and
    taking the best rf between the 2 or more available antennas.
    If it only one antenna its not diversity ,if it have 2, it doesn't mean that
    is better than other not diversity system,for example the lectro 195 non
    diversity 5 years old is much better than the Seheiser ev divercity .
    There are transmitters that able to carry 2 different audio signals that
    riding on the same band carrier(Zaxcom wireless for example)and it still
    will be non diversity transmitter and it will be non diversity reception if
    the receiver have only on port.
    Do you believe me:)
     
    Oleg Kaizerman, Oct 28, 2003
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  8. Joe

    Gregory Lee Guest

    So true-diversity is not necessarily better!!??

    I've always been put off by the EW100 because the portable receiver is
    not true diversity. Is the EW100 able to "carry 2 different audio
    signals that riding on the same band carrier"?

    What is the best portable system for under $550
     
    Gregory Lee, Oct 28, 2003
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    Oleg Kaizerman, Oct 28, 2003
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  10. Joe

    Gregory Lee Guest

    What I would like to do is combine brands, because I am skeptical
    about the quality of handheld microphone from the Sony UWP series.

    I already have the Sony UWP-C1 system and thinking to get a Shure
    UC2-58 handheld microphone transmitter.
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/homeO=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=155580&is=REG

    The good thing is that it transmits the exact same frequency range as
    my UWP-C1 receiver (782-806mhz).

    Hopefully I won't run into any problems. My huntch is that the Shure
    mic is better than the Sony:
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=298554&is=REG
     
    Gregory Lee, Oct 29, 2003
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  11. I don't think that you can use Shue transmitter with Sony receiver .
    check if it can work ,I know only one transmitter that can to impost (is it
    the right term) to something else ,the mm400 and the uh 400 but plug ) which
    can work with the 100,200,400 lectrosonics and the Shure receivers ,all the
    others brands have different carriers that detect by the receiver ,
    the signal is riding on the frequency that you choose from the one that you
    have in your block and it doesn't mean that even you on the same frequency
    it will work
    the 25mh spacing that you have in each block are coming to help you when you
    stock with interference on one of your fq ,then you can move a side


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    Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=298554&is=REG
     
    Oleg Kaizerman, Oct 29, 2003
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  12. Joe

    Gregory Lee Guest

    I don't fully understand your explanation, but that's okay; maybe I'll
    call Shure and Sony and ask them if I can mix brands.
     
    Gregory Lee, Oct 29, 2003
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  13. you cant

     
    Oleg Kaizerman, Oct 29, 2003
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  14. I'm using the Sennheiser EW100 and 500. There grate most of the time but can
    have problems with the compander when there is a lot of low frequency noise
    around (like wind). I start to get a strange sounds in the noise floor, bit
    I read some where that some one had fixed this, id love to know how.

    Adam
     
    Adam Dransfield, Oct 30, 2003
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  15. A good system doesn't have to have the diversity feature. I work with
    Lectrosonics 185 and 195s every day and rarely have a problem.

    I've never used the Sennheisers but many people like them. I've had a lot
    of bad experiences with the low end Azdens. I haven't heard much about the
    high end ones. I know one person who owned a Sampson diversity system and
    he said it was "ok."

    Once you go Lectrosonics you'll never go back. See if you can find a used
    system on E-bay or elsewhere on the net.

    -Brian
     
    brian a. henderson, Oct 30, 2003
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  16. Joe

    Joe Guest

    Should have said I was referring to the portable non-diversity reciever
    here. The alternative AC powered unit is indeed diversity.

    Anyways, thanks to all for the info. I'm most likely going with the
    Sennheiser rig. That is, unless someone makes me a great deal on a used
    Lectrosonics.

    One last puzzle on this. The VX2000 has an unbalanced mic/line input. Can
    I simply go directly in with a balanced to unbalanced cable? Or would I
    need an adapter like a Beachtek?

    Seems to me, if there isn't a real need to put transformers in the loop, it
    would be best not to.

    Thanks again
     
    Joe, Nov 3, 2003
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  17. I don't know the 2000 well ( I mostly use the 150 and the xl ) ,but it seems
    that you need beachteck adaptor only for the reason to connect directional
    mike to the camera if you use one that need 48v ph power .
    If you use electret mike or one that runs on int battery ,I think that you
    can go directly ,the only thing hat you have to look for pl stereo mini
    male to pl mini mono socket for the receiver when the other connection (
    from the tip or ring) is going to the gun mike with xlr or pl mini female,of
    curse all that if the camera have separate audio track adjustment (the
    vx-1000 doesn't ),if there is no ability adjust each channel separately use
    the beachteck or tiny mix from ambient ( they also make a grate small mike
    for dv products the tiny mike) www.ambient.com.de
    Another thing is to check if there is no trouble with bias( 3v) from the
    camera when you work with mikes which not need it,maybe you have to block
    it( when you work with the beachteck it blocks is automaticly )
    [/QUOTE]
    One last puzzle on this. The VX2000 has an unbalanced mic/line input. Can
    I simply go directly in with a balanced to unbalanced cable? Or would I
    need an adapter like a Beachtek?
    [/QUOTE]
     
    Oleg Kaizerman, Nov 3, 2003
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    Steve King Guest

    What you describe is correct for the VX2000. I do know that a Sennheiser
    K3U/ME80 operating on its internal battery will not work, when plugged
    directly into the the VX2000 external mic jack... wire properly to a TRS
    mini-plug. I assume that it is the camera supplied 3-6 VDC that causes the
    problem. However, the same mic run through a Studio One (like a BeachTek)
    works fine. Unlike the PD150, the VX2000 does not have independent
    adjustment of microphone channels, another reason a BeachTek or external
    mixer is a good accessorie for this camera.

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Nov 3, 2003
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  19. Thanks Steve since I wasn't sure about that one ,but its no problem to block
    the bias ,the k3u model is an old one ,I think they stopped to make it
    about 6-7 years ago ,the new k6p might work ,but I don't sure either (
    last time I told you that the k-3u is AB power :))
    But if that camera cant control individual tracks, I don't see any other way
    not to go thru the mixer or camera adaptor ,the other way is to build some
    kind of passive pad on one of the channels so you can decries the level
    manually before the camera input .But I don't think that is the best idea.
    For 650$ you can go for Sound Device mix pre ,and for the another 400 for
    the best 3 input eng mixer that can seat in your jackets upper pocket sd-302
    ..
    Its worth every penny (big x on priviuse word), cent.
     
    Oleg Kaizerman, Nov 3, 2003
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  20. Joe

    Steve King Guest

    And, for $450 or so a day I can get an experienced production mixer who will
    supply the wireless lavs, boom mic, and the rest of the toys, inclduing that
    mixer ;-) Sure, it adds up to more than the cost of a mixer or two, but
    there is a limit to how many hats one should wear. For those times when a
    crew of one or two are right, I have a Studio One, a unit much like the
    BeachTek, a 416 with an external phantom supply, and a couple of lavs. If I
    need more than that, I want somebody to carry it. :)

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Nov 3, 2003
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