Sensor Film (for cleaning sensor)

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Paul Furman, Apr 10, 2010.

  1. Paul Furman

    LOL! Guest

    So that's how you justify your sensor-crud issues?

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    LOL!, Apr 12, 2010
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  2. Not just crazy. If you camera holds the mirror up by electromagnetism
    the battery might not be able to do that for three hours.
     
    Chris Malcolm, Apr 12, 2010
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  3. Paul Furman

    Ray Fischer Guest

    You're several days too late for April Fools'.
     
    Ray Fischer, Apr 12, 2010
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  4. Paul Furman

    me Guest

    I have to agree here. My D200 really shows stuff my D300 doesn't and
    that doesn't include using the cleaning feature of the D300. Maybe all
    we need to do is add a sticky surface somewhere in the older bodies to
    catch most of the crap that flies around.
     
    me, Apr 12, 2010
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  5. Paul Furman

    stephe_k Guest


    Personally I find people Like Ray much more of a troll than this person.
    At least this "troll" supplies some information to the group. YMMV

    Stephanie
     
    stephe_k, Apr 13, 2010
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  6. Paul Furman

    Ray Fischer Guest

    You're just whining because you don't like it when I point out that
    you're beig stupid.
     
    Ray Fischer, Apr 13, 2010
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  7. Paul Furman

    stephe_k Guest


    Thanks for making my point Ray. :)

    Stephanie
     
    stephe_k, Apr 13, 2010
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  8. Paul Furman

    Ray Fischer Guest

    Thanks for demonstrating that you are, as ever, a clueless idiot.
     
    Ray Fischer, Apr 13, 2010
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  9. Personally I find people Like Ray much more of a troll than this person.
    mis-information, you mean, and highly likely confuse beginners, perhaps
    causing them unnecessary expense, frustration, and wasted time. Best
    filtered out and ignored.

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Apr 13, 2010
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  10. Paul Furman

    stephe_k Guest


    The internet is FULL of misinformation. If you feel this person has
    posting mis-information, then supply the opposing position well enough
    that the real information is supplied. I haven't seen anyone come up
    with anything that refutes his claim this method of cleaning the sensor
    will static charge the sensor, turning it into a dust magnet. And yes
    there are models that don't have issues with sensor dust.

    Much of what I've seen this "troll" post has some truth to it and some
    not. LOTS of what I see posted here is nothing more than cheer leading
    for the various brands people chose to buy. Or else the "screw you"
    comments which add so much here..

    Stephanie
     
    stephe_k, Apr 13, 2010
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  11. The internet is FULL of misinformation. If you feel this person has
    I have supplied corrections of fact on many occasions, as have many
    others, only to be met by name calling and a complete absence of any
    reasoned argument. Under those circumstances I am not prepared to
    continue discussions. It's not a matter of "taking a position", just
    truth and lies.

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Apr 13, 2010
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  12. Paul Furman

    Bruce Guest


    If you wanted *real information* you asked the wrong guy.

    David J Taylor posts what appear to be authoritative statements of
    fact about all manner of issues photographic but his only relevant
    personal experience is based on using an entry-level camera and
    consumer-grade lenses. And that isn't relevant when we are
    discussing issues that are way beyond his experience.

    Sadly, Usenet is full of people like David J Taylor - people whose
    comments appear at face value to carry some weight, but it doesn't
    take much delving to find out that they have absolutely no basis of
    personal experience to support the "specialist knowledge" that they
    claim to possess.

    Liars, shills, salesmen, call them what you will, but they are the
    parasites of Usenet.

    On the other hand, the troll, as you say, does make some useful,
    interesting and often valid points. He's a thorn in the side of some
    regular contributors here, but that is in many ways a good thing if it
    makes people *think* rather than meekly accept the word of liars,
    shills and salesmen.
     
    Bruce, Apr 13, 2010
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  13. David J Taylor posts what appear to be authoritative statements of
    Just because I happen to be using certain cameras today does not mean that
    I have not used other equipment in the past, nor that I have not worked in
    areas where even so-called professional equipment would not meet the
    requirements. My equipment today is chosen for its size and weight as
    well as for performance. I do have wider experience in imaging systems
    and their analysis than today's digital cameras, and try to bring that to
    bear when making comments or asking questions, as you will with the
    equipment with which you are familiar.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Apr 13, 2010
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  14. Paul Furman

    Bruce Guest


    Just more of your usual bullshit, I'm afraid. Better to stay silent
    than deepen the hole you are already in.

    For your own sake, just stop digging!
     
    Bruce, Apr 13, 2010
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  15. Just more of your usual bullshit, I'm afraid. Better to stay silent
    Good advice - be sure to take it.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Apr 13, 2010
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  16. Paul Furman

    stephe_k Guest

    Then you end your part when the name calling starts and assume that if
    your argument was a solid/valid one, "beginners" will see that you are
    right and not be confused. If you really are so concerned that people
    will get bad information from him, what good does kill filing them do?

    Again, in this thread I haven't seen anyone refute his statement that
    this form of dust removal will static charge the sensor and no one else
    supplied this point of view.

    Stephanie
     
    stephe_k, Apr 13, 2010
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  17. Paul Furman

    stephe_k Guest

    I haven't read David enough to know much about him, but the people I
    have seen make the most noise about "the troll", also are the people who
    seem to be most interested in being here just to cheer lead their
    purchase choices.

    Again in this thread, he is the ONLY person who questioned the logic of
    using this form of sensor cleaning based on it could possibly static
    charge the sensor, making it a dust magnet. I ran into this issue
    shooting 4X5 B&W film and know static charge can create a NIGHTMARE with
    dust attraction.

    Stephanie
     
    stephe_k, Apr 13, 2010
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  18. Paul Furman

    Paul Furman Guest

    He suggested that it's possible some kinds of tape might create a static
    charge. Lots of things are possible.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_electricity#Charged_adhesive_tape
    -that's plastic tape, and it's the tape getting a charge if pulled
    quickly from itself, not paper masking tape pulled gently.

    None are on topic in this DSLR group.

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    Paul Furman, Apr 13, 2010
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  19. Then you end your part when the name calling starts and assume that if
    Stephanie,

    When an individual will not engage in reasoned discussion, and simply
    repeats the same mantra hour after hour, day after day, I switch off. The
    kill-file improves my enjoyment of this newsgroup.

    Enjoy your picture taking!

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Apr 13, 2010
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  20. But it's trivially easy to neutralise static charges, for example by
    using a carbon fibre brush. It's also the case that the dust doesn't
    collect on the sensor, it collects on the filter in front of the
    sensor, which is often in modern cameras treated with a conductive
    surface coating which bleeds off any temporary static charges.

    All this is easily googled up by anyone who prefers to get their facts
    from elsewhere than newsgroup sensationalists.

    Sometimes there's no comment because there's no point in arguing
    technical issues with trolls!
     
    Chris Malcolm, Apr 13, 2010
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