serious price drop on Nik software

Discussion in 'Photography' started by peternew, Jun 15, 2013.

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    peternew Guest

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    Savageduck Guest

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    Tony Cooper Guest

    You have been sleeping. It's been advertised for over a month. I
    started to buy it at $149 and then found an online coupon that gave me
    an additional $20 off through the NIK site. So, I bought it at
    $129.00.

    So far, I've used the Dfine 2 (noise removal) module on several
    images. (My Nikon, at an ISO of 400, adds noise...badly.) Dfine 2
    works a treat.

    I've tried Silver Efex Pro 4 with some success, but I still like doing
    black and white conversions on my own in Photoshop. I've tried Color
    Efex Pro 4, but only saved one image using it. It seems better for
    special effects like high key than it does for just regular color
    processing.

    I haven't figured out Viveza 2 yet. I understand the basics, but I'm
    going to have to watch some videos before I get comfortable with it.

    I used Color Efex Pro 4's "Detail Extractor" on this image of a
    railroad boxcar. Then, I duplicated the unadjusted Background layer
    and placed it above the NIK treated layer and use a Layer Mask to
    reveal only the door. I wanted the area to the left to be as-shot.

    http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Photography/Miscellanea/i-442j3mX/0/XL/2013-06-12-1-XL.jpg

    This one was really for practice. I'd like the same shot with some
    better graffiti, so I'm watching boxcars.
     
    Tony Cooper, Jun 15, 2013
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    otter Guest

    Tony, no criticism, but just curious. Why didn't you just add a layer
    mask to the Nik treated layer and blend it directly with the
    background layer, rather than duplicating the background layer,
    placing it above the Nik layer adding a mask to it and then blending?

    Where did you find the online coupon?
     
    otter, Jun 15, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Hell! With any of the NIK suite modules all you have to do is
    selectively apply the effect with a brush, as the NIK application adds
    a layer mask of it own.
     
    Savageduck, Jun 15, 2013
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    otter Guest

    Thanks, good to know.

    Googled Nik coupon and found it. Now playing with my new software.
    So far, I like it.
     
    otter, Jun 15, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    It is well worthwhile to check some of the training videos from the
    learn section of their website.
     
    Savageduck, Jun 15, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

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    Alfred Molon Guest

    What is so special about it?
     
    Alfred Molon, Jun 15, 2013
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    otter Guest

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    peternew Guest

    I like it, though I would have removed the sign.
    Here's my version:
    <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Untitled-1.jpg>
     
    peternew, Jun 15, 2013
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    peternew Guest

    I got my software before the price drop. But, That's life.
     
    peternew, Jun 15, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    That's a good question. It is "special" if, and only if, the features
    in the modules are features that interest you. If you don't do any
    editing beyond the basics of cropping and some minor adjustments,
    there's nothing special about it. If you do do some extensive
    editing, the modules offer some advantages.

    BTW, "it" is a package of different modules, each with some specific
    application. The modules can be purchased separately, but the current
    offer is all the modules for $149 plus whatever extra discount you can
    find.

    I do a lot of conversion to black and white. I can do this with many
    programs (some of which are free), but I choose to do the conversions
    using Photoshop. In Photoshop (PS, CS, or Elements), any change I
    make in contrast to the image is global. Adjusting contrast adjusts
    the entire image. Using the Silver Efex Pro NIK module, I can adjust
    contrast in localized areas of the image by using Control Points.

    Also, Silver Efex Pro allows you to view what the image would look
    like using 20-some presets, and each of the presets is adjustable
    globally or in specific areas using Control Points. Additional
    presets can be set and made by the user.

    I can, by the way, get to the same place in Photoshop without NIK. I
    can get the effect of adjusting contrast only in certain areas in
    Photoshop by using a Layer Mask and masking in or out specific areas.
    I can also download Actions (or make my own) that work the same as the
    presets.

    The NIK module just makes it a bit easier for me to play around with
    different conversion results. It doesn't do anything I can't do
    without it, but I can run through each preset very quickly to see
    which effect works the best. I can easily pinpoint adjustments.

    Even with the NIK set, I still do most of my conversions without using
    the Silver Efex Pro module. It's there if I want to use it, though.


    Lightroom also has some black and white presets (without control
    points), but I don't use LR for editing so I'll not comment on any
    comparison.

    I'm not trying to sell you NIK. Actually, if you have to ask what it
    is, you probably aren't in the target group that would buy the set.
    All I'm trying to is give you a simple explanation of why some think
    it's "special".
     
    Tony Cooper, Jun 15, 2013
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    peternew Guest

    In theory ther is noting you can do with it, or any PS plugin, that you
    cannot do with PH. However, I think it is a lot easier to use, to get
    the effects you want. I suspect Google bought it for the u point
    technology, which makes masking a lot easier. Combine it with LR and
    Elements, and you greatly increase functionality. Try the free download
    for yourself.
     
    peternew, Jun 15, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Why don't you just visit the site and learn something.

    ....but for the short version, the NIK plugins provide a very useful
    tool kit for anybody wanting to add to the capabilities of their
    digital darkroom.
     
    Savageduck, Jun 15, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 6/14/2013 10:09 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    : > This one was really for practice. I'd like the same shot with some
    : > better graffiti, so I'm watching boxcars.
    : >
    :
    : I like it, though I would have removed the sign.
    : Here's my version:
    : <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Untitled-1.jpg>

    More artistic image, less interesting shot.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jun 15, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : i mhave been sleeping, but I recently learned that Google is selling
    : the entire Nk suite for $149. this represents a drastic price drop.
    :
    : <http://www.niksoftware.com/nikcollection/usa/intro.html>

    So Adobe's ploy to wring more money out of its customer base brings on stiffer
    competition from Google? I guess we'll see who gets the last laugh.

    Just an example, perhaps, (Nikon vs Canon is another) of why photographic
    equipment is one of the few industries left where capitalism works more or
    less as intended.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jun 15, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    What I would find interesting, is if Google launches a "Pro Picasa"
    with PS features such as adjustment layers to compete with Adobe, and
    the capability of using their NIK software acquisition.
     
    Savageduck, Jun 15, 2013
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    peternew Guest

    That's one of the differences between our approaches. As long as I
    "know" your work, you have a penchant for the realistic. I tend to
    modify the realistic. That doesn't make either of our preferences
    right, just different.
     
    peternew, Jun 15, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    nope.

    not only are they two different products, but google cut the price well
    before adobe announced the creative cloud. two entirely separate
    events.
     
    Guest, Jun 15, 2013
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