serious price drop on Nik software

Discussion in 'Photography' started by peternew, Jun 15, 2013.

  1. peternew

    Savageduck Guest

    Try it for yourself, you do have LR don't you?

    Select an image in LR & make whatever adjustments, crop, etc. in LR.
    Then right click (alt/option click) on the image in LR and from the
    pop-up menu select one of the NIK Apps from "Edit In". When the App
    window opens you will note that the "Brush" button on the bottom right
    is missing. However, the control points work fine.
    This is due to the fact you don't have adjustment layers in LR, hence
    using LR in combination with CS5/6.
     
    Savageduck, Jun 16, 2013
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  2. peternew

    peternew Guest

    no. I haven't really felt the use. But I believe you.
     
    peternew, Jun 17, 2013
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  3. peternew

    Guest Guest

    that's adding to, not instead of. adobe still gets a sale.
     
    Guest, Jun 17, 2013
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  4. peternew

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Try to read something with an open mind instead of trying to find
    something to argue with.

    I said it could forestall someone from going over the *full* Photoshop
    subscription version. That costs Adobe future income from a
    subscriber.

    There are people who already have purchased Elements, so combining
    this with NIK could stop Adobe from getting a sale. The Elements sale
    is already in the barn.

    I don't think what I've suggested could happen will be more than a
    drop in the bucket - if that - but "nobody" is such an inviting
    target.
     
    Tony Cooper, Jun 17, 2013
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  5. peternew

    Guest Guest

    if only you would do the same.
    however, adobe did get a sale for elements.

    if someone is not going to buy the subscription (and not everyone will)
    then it's best for adobe if the user buy another adobe product (in this
    case, elements) rather than something from another company.
    yes it was, that's the whole *point*.

    they are still a customer and did not switch to something else.
    so you admit arguing just to argue, what you accuse me of doing. that
    makes you a hypocrite.
     
    Guest, Jun 17, 2013
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  6. peternew

    Tony Cooper Guest

    They already had that sale in my example. Adobe gained no new sale or
    revenue.
    Do you understand your "point"? Understand "already have purchased"?
    The sale was made long before the subscription plan or the NIK
    discount was offered.
    No, they're not a "customer". Not in any active sense. Adobe
    receives no more revenue from someone who purchased a product months
    ago or years ago. If they switch to some other program, Adobe doesn't
    lose what they already gained from the previous sale. What Adobe
    loses is future revenue, and that was my *point*.
    No, it's a valid point. "Some" is different from "nobody". You often
    say you post to correct people when they are wrong. That's what I've
    done to you.
     
    Tony Cooper, Jun 17, 2013
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  7. I gave up on this ng after the way the self-appointed biggies and meanies
    treated a human rights discussion. They're just old white men scoring points
    and screw anyone who disagrees...
     
    Charles E. Hardwidge, Jun 18, 2013
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  8. Because they'll use the same Elements for the next 25 years.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 18, 2013
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  9. peternew

    peternew Guest

    It's obvious that you gave us up. Had you considered photography as an
    appropriate discussion topic.
     
    peternew, Jun 18, 2013
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  10. peternew

    Guest Guest

    they don't need a new sale.
    so what?

    the claim was that nik's price cut was done to compete with adobe. as i
    have repeatedly said, that's false because nik is not a photoshop
    competitor, mainly because it works *with* photoshop.

    if it was a competitor, it would not do that.
    they absolutely are a customer. they own and use an adobe product and
    even bought plugins to use with it. that makes them an active customer.
    they aren't losing anything. maybe they will buy another adobe product
    in the future. you have no way to know. in fact, those users are more
    likely to choose another adobe product if their needs change because
    they're familiar with it.
    just because someone says 'nobody does xyz' and you can find one person
    that does doesn't disprove what was said. that's nothing more than
    nitpicking words, and on the level of a spelling flame.

    that's very different than refuting something with proof.
     
    Guest, Jun 18, 2013
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  11. peternew

    Tony Cooper Guest

    non sequitur.
    Whoa! Aren't you tired from dragging this strawman all the way the
    garden path?

    Is this another one of those "this subthread is about..." things where
    you attempt to control what is brought up by referencing something not
    mentioned at all in the post you're replying to?

    I don't think NIK cut the price in a competitive move against Adobe. I
    think they cut the price to get a spike in sales. NIK has probably
    already had the development costs for their modules returned by sales
    at the previous pricing structure, so offering packages at $149 has
    very minimal additional cost to them.

    I jumped in to point out that your "never" or "no one" or "nobody" or
    whatever it was was wrong. I'm not arguing that NIK and Adobe are
    competitors other than being in competition for the consumer's choice
    of where to spend money.
    I think NIK competes more with Topaz and OnOne than anyone else.
    They didn't buy the plugins from Adobe. I'm not an active customer of
    Adobe because I bought a monitor on which to view my efforts in
    Photoshop.

    If you really want to understand who Adobe considers to be their
    customer, find someone who added a plugin to Photoshop 5 or 7. They
    use an Adobe product and added a plugin to an Adobe product, but Adobe
    won't recognize them as a customer.

    You need to understand the difference between "customer" and "user".
     
    Tony Cooper, Jun 18, 2013
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  12. peternew

    Guest Guest

    you brought it up.
    i'm not the one doing the dragging.
    then we agree.

    that's what i said several days ago, but true to form, all you wanted
    to do was argue.
    also that it's under new ownership (google) and they have different
    ideas about what to do with it than nik did.
    word games.
    i didn't say they did. you're confused, as usual.
    what the hell does that have to do with anything?
    nik won't work with photoshop that old so that too is irrelevant.
    more word games.
     
    Guest, Jun 18, 2013
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