serious price drop on Nik software

Try it for yourself, you do have LR don't you?

Select an image in LR & make whatever adjustments, crop, etc. in LR.
Then right click (alt/option click) on the image in LR and from the
pop-up menu select one of the NIK Apps from "Edit In". When the App
window opens you will note that the "Brush" button on the bottom right
is missing. However, the control points work fine.
This is due to the fact you don't have adjustment layers in LR, hence
using LR in combination with CS5/6.

 

no. I haven't really felt the use. But I believe you.

 

that's adding to, not instead of. adobe still gets a sale.

 

Try to read something with an open mind instead of trying to find
something to argue with.

I said it could forestall someone from going over the *full* Photoshop
subscription version. That costs Adobe future income from a
subscriber.

There are people who already have purchased Elements, so combining
this with NIK could stop Adobe from getting a sale. The Elements sale
is already in the barn.

I don't think what I've suggested could happen will be more than a
drop in the bucket - if that - but "nobody" is such an inviting
target.

 

if only you would do the same.

however, adobe did get a sale for elements.

if someone is not going to buy the subscription (and not everyone will)
then it's best for adobe if the user buy another adobe product (in this
case, elements) rather than something from another company.

yes it was, that's the whole *point*.

they are still a customer and did not switch to something else.

so you admit arguing just to argue, what you accuse me of doing. that
makes you a hypocrite.

 

They already had that sale in my example. Adobe gained no new sale or
revenue.

Do you understand your "point"? Understand "already have purchased"?
The sale was made long before the subscription plan or the NIK
discount was offered.

No, they're not a "customer". Not in any active sense. Adobe
receives no more revenue from someone who purchased a product months
ago or years ago. If they switch to some other program, Adobe doesn't
lose what they already gained from the previous sale. What Adobe
loses is future revenue, and that was my *point*.

No, it's a valid point. "Some" is different from "nobody". You often
say you post to correct people when they are wrong. That's what I've
done to you.

 

I gave up on this ng after the way the self-appointed biggies and meanies
treated a human rights discussion. They're just old white men scoring points
and screw anyone who disagrees...

 

Because they'll use the same Elements for the next 25 years.

-Wolfgang

 

It's obvious that you gave us up. Had you considered photography as an
appropriate discussion topic.

 

they don't need a new sale.

so what?

the claim was that nik's price cut was done to compete with adobe. as i
have repeatedly said, that's false because nik is not a photoshop
competitor, mainly because it works *with* photoshop.

if it was a competitor, it would not do that.

they absolutely are a customer. they own and use an adobe product and
even bought plugins to use with it. that makes them an active customer.

they aren't losing anything. maybe they will buy another adobe product
in the future. you have no way to know. in fact, those users are more
likely to choose another adobe product if their needs change because
they're familiar with it.

just because someone says 'nobody does xyz' and you can find one person
that does doesn't disprove what was said. that's nothing more than
nitpicking words, and on the level of a spelling flame.

that's very different than refuting something with proof.

 

non sequitur.

Whoa! Aren't you tired from dragging this strawman all the way the
garden path?

Is this another one of those "this subthread is about..." things where
you attempt to control what is brought up by referencing something not
mentioned at all in the post you're replying to?

I don't think NIK cut the price in a competitive move against Adobe. I
think they cut the price to get a spike in sales. NIK has probably
already had the development costs for their modules returned by sales
at the previous pricing structure, so offering packages at $149 has
very minimal additional cost to them.

I jumped in to point out that your "never" or "no one" or "nobody" or
whatever it was was wrong. I'm not arguing that NIK and Adobe are
competitors other than being in competition for the consumer's choice
of where to spend money.

I think NIK competes more with Topaz and OnOne than anyone else.

They didn't buy the plugins from Adobe. I'm not an active customer of
Adobe because I bought a monitor on which to view my efforts in
Photoshop.

If you really want to understand who Adobe considers to be their
customer, find someone who added a plugin to Photoshop 5 or 7. They
use an Adobe product and added a plugin to an Adobe product, but Adobe
won't recognize them as a customer.

You need to understand the difference between "customer" and "user".

 

you brought it up.

i'm not the one doing the dragging.

then we agree.

that's what i said several days ago, but true to form, all you wanted
to do was argue.

also that it's under new ownership (google) and they have different
ideas about what to do with it than nik did.

word games.

i didn't say they did. you're confused, as usual.

what the hell does that have to do with anything?

nik won't work with photoshop that old so that too is irrelevant.

more word games.