Shoot - in 2 (MOTION) my comments - read em and weep - read em andleap

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Steve Kramer, Sep 15, 2003.

  1. Steve Kramer

    Steve Kramer Guest

    Thanks. Sad but true; the cliché shots sell.
    That's why they are clichés. And that's why I've gotten locked into
    thinking this way. I'd love to break out of the mold, but every time I
    pick up the camera, my wallet whispers "pay the rent, son... pay the
    rent, son...

    But I do agree with you that when viewed small it DOES stop the motion,
    and it really only looks good as a wall sized picture! Then I can stare
    at it for hours. Thanks again for taking the time to critique us all.

    Steve Kramer
    Chiang Mai, Thailand
    http://www.photoenvisions.com
     
    Steve Kramer, Sep 15, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Al Denselbeck's shot: The composition is great with the foreground
    grasses (little pop of flash there?), river, far shore and lights
    holding up the star streaks falling/rising in gently curved arcs....
    well done.

    Alan Browne: dull lighting only partially saved by the bright clothes of
    the bikers. Sigh. If the minivan had not been there on the left, might
    have been merely okay.

    Annika's panned polo player. A little bright overall, but the moment is
    captured brillantly, and that all that counts. Could have been cropped
    a hair looser... Great shot.

    Bob Hickey. I saw this and need to go take a leak! Good shot if a bit
    dull in color. Some blue or green backlight nect time? Much faster
    shutter speed to freeze the fluid (still suggsts motion). Good shot.

    Bowser. In a pan shot we expect the subject to be frozen. A rear sync
    flash pop on this would have been groovey. Much better than your
    previous effort, for sure.

    Colin Donoghue: WONDERFUL. The eye is snapped to the face of the kid
    with the mauve tee shirt. The movement of the car is not so obvious
    except as suggested by the suject itslef and especially the delighted
    kid. Great Stuff.

    Dallas Dahms: Great color, contrast and composition. Maybe shot too
    fast? A little more blur would have conveyed more motion? Good shot.

    Doug Payne. Lovely capture of two sets of motion... the lazy river and
    the canoe voyager. Very good composition, maybe a little bit over in
    the middle of the river...polarizer to reduce (not eliminate) the
    reflection and increase the contrast...? Very nice.

    Gabriel Lau Kin Jock: Overexposed in the "dark areas" under exposed for
    the highway lights. A better vantage point is reccomended. Nice
    attempt with the tree as a static object.

    John Riegle: Great colors. I wasn't sure how you did thei until I saw
    your post on the subject. Neat idea. Very good composition, but leaves
    me wondering .... what/why?

    John Wilson: Great composition of machine in motion. Maybe a more
    grzing lighting anlge and colored gels on the strobes?

    Ken cashion: We expect more from you Ken! Background is dreary and
    cluttered (almost as bad as mine!). Shot looks under exposed.

    Lionel: Hey dude! Great color and movement, not great compo.

    Lisa: Okay, slow motion it is... nice pattern.

    Martin Djernaes: This IS motion. The runners foot just discernable at
    the back of the stride.... color a bit muted but undeniably MOVING!
    great shot.

    Martin Francis: Clean. Clean. Clean up before you shoot. there is
    barely perceptible motion of the tone arm and the edge of the record.
    Splash of red is nice ... nice try, cigars kept in reserve.

    Martin Riddle: nice yellow peril shot, however, except for the
    propeller, it looks frozen in space. This is what aviation magazine
    shots look like, but does not exactly convey motion. Nice angle to
    catch the bird.

    Michael J. Hoffman: Lot's of motion, not enough saturation. Hard shot
    to get. 15 minutes earlier in the evening, might have worked better,
    the fairground lights would have been on and the colors deeper.
    Composition is pretty good.

    Michael Stevens: Magnificent. Lot's of motion, tension, competition.
    The spin of the ball is amazingly captured as is the fight between the
    players. GREAT.

    Mike Marty: Good personal shot. Handclap motion competes with the
    smile and the gaze of the watchers for our attention. Obviously sports
    fans (football I assume). Good shot/composition.

    Rich Pos: This shot says speed and we're goin' somewhere. The fixed
    reference of the car anchors us to the seat of the car. Great color.
    Great shot.

    Simon Stanmore: Great composition and color. The slightly blurred
    wings of the bird that leapt off of the chiminey speaks of the birds
    intentions to fly... the chimney as anchor balances the shot... Good shot.

    Steve Kramer: cliché time, eh Steve? I really like this as a
    composition. The colors of the fallen leaves under the stream really
    set this shot off from the typicial North American version of these
    shots. Motion? Hmm, the shot seems so timeless as to stop motion?
    Great shot Steve.

    Tony Parkinson: definite motion, but after last weeks effort, we
    expected much more, man. Exposure here is way under, but the
    composition is great. (Hiding in a van?). Grain suggests you cropped
    this from a small chunk of the image? Nice shot.

    Vic Mason: this is one of the most pleasing shots to look at. The
    clean, crisp look of the water, the smile of the swimmer, glint in the
    eye, water cascading down. Another "two sets of motion" shot, the
    swimmer coming up and the water in chaotic movement all around. The
    colors are serene and cool. Great shot.

    Warner Crump: One of my favourites of the whole bunch. B&W is the
    perfect expression for this shot and helps to reduce the background
    clutter.... well composed. Great shot.

    Simon Lee: very unusual and compelling movement and I assume multiple
    exposure. Colors are strange and the black "path" up the middle gives
    this shot purpose, direction and neccesary contrast. Great shot.

    McCleod: At first I thought this shot ordinary and then I noticed the
    blurred silhouette of the riders/chairs. Maybe too centred? Otherwise
    GREAT!

    JavaMan: Camera shake *is* motion I guess.

    Nick James: Very good pan shot, esp. taken at night like this... we can
    almost feel the vibration of the bike...

    Rudy Garcia: strikes me now how there are several shots with dual sets
    of motion in this shoot in. In this shot, the boat seems motionless,
    but we can see it has pointed purpose and that it is moving over a
    surface in motion.. Good contre-jour shot. Horizon is a bit tilted, the
    water might fall out...

    David Weesner: Effective. This would be a good poster for a pool hall
    as the vivid red really sets it off. The refelcted light tracing the
    ball's fall into the pocket is very nice. A rear-sync shot comes to
    mind as well, but this still very, very good.

    Gordon Moat: reverbs of last weeks Gordonm Moat shot here, the ambulance
    (?) about to strike out onto the noisy highway. Great pan shot esp.
    considering the movement is not taverse but close up turning...

    George: Good capture of the bird's flight, but overall the compostion
    is not too great. Crop, Crop, Crop.

    Peter Boorman (aka Bandicoot): There is a sense of dreaminess to this
    shot, but I'm not sure what kind of motion. Nice though. Pleasing to
    the eye.

    ....running for cover,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 15, 2003
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  3. Steve Kramer

    David Guest

    This was my shot, thanks for the kind words. Of course, I'm my own worse
    critic, so as I look at it, I see the lint on the felt rail...I should have
    used a darker ball instead of the yellow, it would have made a darker trail.
    The color is a little off.

    I was a little rushed in making the photo. Those are my hands in the shot.
    I'm the only one in my family who knows how to hit the cue ball so it
    doesn't roll after striking the target ball. I didn't want another trail
    (the cue ball) in the shot. So I had to set up the shot on my tripod, and
    get my son to trip the shutter at the right moment. And it was near my
    son's bed time. There were about 20 bad shots, and about three good ones, I
    thought this was best. Overall I was pleased with the result, it's real
    close to what I had imagined.

    The other thing I found out while doing this: my tripod sucks! The head
    rattles around on the swivel. I can't use it! It was a gift, which I'm
    going to have to dump. I jammed a business card into the swivel to keep it
    steady.

    Maybe I'll do like others, and post a couple of also-rans.

    Dave
     
    David, Sep 15, 2003
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  4. Steve Kramer

    Warner Crump Guest

    Alan Browne

    Warner Crump: One of my favourites of the whole bunch. B&W is the
    perfect expression for this shot and helps to reduce the background
    clutter.... well composed. Great shot.

    Thanks for the kudos! I feel kinda bad after hearing about all the planing
    and hard work that some of the others went through to get their shot. This
    one was totally candid. I was sitting in my friend's backyard with a beer
    and my girl friend hashing out ideas for the shoot in. Then to my delight
    she picked up a bottle of bubbles and *snap* I got it. ;oP I particularly
    enjoyed Rich Pos shot. It almost makes me dizzy looking at it, there is
    such a great sense of motion. Good work to everyone. I enjoyed them all.

    Water, water eveywhere, but not a idea to shoot. :(

    Warner


    Al Denselbeck's shot: The composition is great with the foreground
    grasses (little pop of flash there?), river, far shore and lights
    holding up the star streaks falling/rising in gently curved arcs....
    well done.

    Alan Browne: dull lighting only partially saved by the bright clothes of
    the bikers. Sigh. If the minivan had not been there on the left, might
    have been merely okay.

    Annika's panned polo player. A little bright overall, but the moment is
    captured brillantly, and that all that counts. Could have been cropped
    a hair looser... Great shot.

    Bob Hickey. I saw this and need to go take a leak! Good shot if a bit
    dull in color. Some blue or green backlight nect time? Much faster
    shutter speed to freeze the fluid (still suggsts motion). Good shot.

    Bowser. In a pan shot we expect the subject to be frozen. A rear sync
    flash pop on this would have been groovey. Much better than your
    previous effort, for sure.

    Colin Donoghue: WONDERFUL. The eye is snapped to the face of the kid
    with the mauve tee shirt. The movement of the car is not so obvious
    except as suggested by the suject itslef and especially the delighted
    kid. Great Stuff.

    Dallas Dahms: Great color, contrast and composition. Maybe shot too
    fast? A little more blur would have conveyed more motion? Good shot.

    Doug Payne. Lovely capture of two sets of motion... the lazy river and
    the canoe voyager. Very good composition, maybe a little bit over in
    the middle of the river...polarizer to reduce (not eliminate) the
    reflection and increase the contrast...? Very nice.

    Gabriel Lau Kin Jock: Overexposed in the "dark areas" under exposed for
    the highway lights. A better vantage point is reccomended. Nice
    attempt with the tree as a static object.

    John Riegle: Great colors. I wasn't sure how you did thei until I saw
    your post on the subject. Neat idea. Very good composition, but leaves
    me wondering .... what/why?

    John Wilson: Great composition of machine in motion. Maybe a more
    grzing lighting anlge and colored gels on the strobes?

    Ken cashion: We expect more from you Ken! Background is dreary and
    cluttered (almost as bad as mine!). Shot looks under exposed.

    Lionel: Hey dude! Great color and movement, not great compo.

    Lisa: Okay, slow motion it is... nice pattern.

    Martin Djernaes: This IS motion. The runners foot just discernable at
    the back of the stride.... color a bit muted but undeniably MOVING!
    great shot.

    Martin Francis: Clean. Clean. Clean up before you shoot. there is
    barely perceptible motion of the tone arm and the edge of the record.
    Splash of red is nice ... nice try, cigars kept in reserve.

    Martin Riddle: nice yellow peril shot, however, except for the
    propeller, it looks frozen in space. This is what aviation magazine
    shots look like, but does not exactly convey motion. Nice angle to
    catch the bird.

    Michael J. Hoffman: Lot's of motion, not enough saturation. Hard shot
    to get. 15 minutes earlier in the evening, might have worked better,
    the fairground lights would have been on and the colors deeper.
    Composition is pretty good.

    Michael Stevens: Magnificent. Lot's of motion, tension, competition.
    The spin of the ball is amazingly captured as is the fight between the
    players. GREAT.

    Mike Marty: Good personal shot. Handclap motion competes with the
    smile and the gaze of the watchers for our attention. Obviously sports
    fans (football I assume). Good shot/composition.

    Rich Pos: This shot says speed and we're goin' somewhere. The fixed
    reference of the car anchors us to the seat of the car. Great color.
    Great shot.

    Simon Stanmore: Great composition and color. The slightly blurred
    wings of the bird that leapt off of the chiminey speaks of the birds
    intentions to fly... the chimney as anchor balances the shot... Good shot.

    Steve Kramer: cliché time, eh Steve? I really like this as a
    composition. The colors of the fallen leaves under the stream really
    set this shot off from the typicial North American version of these
    shots. Motion? Hmm, the shot seems so timeless as to stop motion?
    Great shot Steve.

    Tony Parkinson: definite motion, but after last weeks effort, we
    expected much more, man. Exposure here is way under, but the
    composition is great. (Hiding in a van?). Grain suggests you cropped
    this from a small chunk of the image? Nice shot.

    Vic Mason: this is one of the most pleasing shots to look at. The
    clean, crisp look of the water, the smile of the swimmer, glint in the
    eye, water cascading down. Another "two sets of motion" shot, the
    swimmer coming up and the water in chaotic movement all around. The
    colors are serene and cool. Great shot.

    Warner Crump: One of my favourites of the whole bunch. B&W is the
    perfect expression for this shot and helps to reduce the background
    clutter.... well composed. Great shot.

    Simon Lee: very unusual and compelling movement and I assume multiple
    exposure. Colors are strange and the black "path" up the middle gives
    this shot purpose, direction and neccesary contrast. Great shot.

    McCleod: At first I thought this shot ordinary and then I noticed the
    blurred silhouette of the riders/chairs. Maybe too centred? Otherwise
    GREAT!

    JavaMan: Camera shake *is* motion I guess.

    Nick James: Very good pan shot, esp. taken at night like this... we can
    almost feel the vibration of the bike...

    Rudy Garcia: strikes me now how there are several shots with dual sets
    of motion in this shoot in. In this shot, the boat seems motionless,
    but we can see it has pointed purpose and that it is moving over a
    surface in motion.. Good contre-jour shot. Horizon is a bit tilted, the
    water might fall out...

    David Weesner: Effective. This would be a good poster for a pool hall
    as the vivid red really sets it off. The refelcted light tracing the
    ball's fall into the pocket is very nice. A rear-sync shot comes to
    mind as well, but this still very, very good.

    Gordon Moat: reverbs of last weeks Gordonm Moat shot here, the ambulance
    (?) about to strike out onto the noisy highway. Great pan shot esp.
    considering the movement is not taverse but close up turning...

    George: Good capture of the bird's flight, but overall the compostion
    is not too great. Crop, Crop, Crop.

    Peter Boorman (aka Bandicoot): There is a sense of dreaminess to this
    shot, but I'm not sure what kind of motion. Nice though. Pleasing to
    the eye.

    .....running for cover,
    Alan.
     
    Warner Crump, Sep 15, 2003
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  5. Steve Kramer

    Alan Browne Guest

    er, a dark object almost never leaves a trail. Film records light (the
    red) not the absence of light. A dark object could leave a trail if it
    moves very slowly and blocks the lighter background, but not as
    effective as a light object against a darker background.

    I meant the style of the shot as opposed to this particular image
    (regarding lint).
    It is good. Try again with rear curtain sync just as the ball falls
    over into the hole. Best to rough out the times and use "B" setting so
    you control the timing of the flash at the end. a 20% error in time
    will barely show on negative film (if that's what you used).
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 15, 2003
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  6. Steve Kramer

    Alan Browne Guest

    As usual, some late entries ...but they won't escape my biting comments.
    (see (way) belowwwwww).

    Addendums...

    Chris Birkett: not bad at all, the street ligting dominates, but the
    light streaks from the car step right in to be added. Composition is
    very good. Overall sense of motion ... not so great.

    Chris Barnard: spooky, more than motion is the sense I get from this
    shot. As stated elsewhere camera shake does not count!!
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 15, 2003
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  7. Hi Alan,

    Thank you for taking so much time actually going through all the pictures.

    Glad you like it but it was actually a throw away shot, but because
    everyone else also were a throw away shot, I picked this to hear what
    comments I would get! I wanted to take a runners foot in motion. I have
    never been panning the camera before and didn't get what I wanted ;-(.
    In fact my "1h" didn't develop any of my "motion" pictures and I had to
    ask them to try again. When I looked through the pictures I picked this
    one. Not for it's high quality, but for it's colors ... and moton effect.

    Martin
     
    Martin Djernaes, Sep 15, 2003
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  8. Steve Kramer

    Dallas D Guest

    Thanks Alan.

    I have tried slower shutter speeds with surfing before, but they are not
    that easy to take. I was really quite chuffed with the colour of this shot.
    It was relatively early in the morning when taken so I think that's what
    gives it the "golden hour" look.

    Now, can I use the same pic for water? :)

    --
    "Get up, get out & do something, how will you make it if you never even
    try?"
    Macy Gray
    www.imageunlimited.co.za
    ..

    Al Denselbeck's shot: The composition is great with the foreground
    grasses (little pop of flash there?), river, far shore and lights
    holding up the star streaks falling/rising in gently curved arcs....
    well done.

    Alan Browne: dull lighting only partially saved by the bright clothes of
    the bikers. Sigh. If the minivan had not been there on the left, might
    have been merely okay.

    Annika's panned polo player. A little bright overall, but the moment is
    captured brillantly, and that all that counts. Could have been cropped
    a hair looser... Great shot.

    Bob Hickey. I saw this and need to go take a leak! Good shot if a bit
    dull in color. Some blue or green backlight nect time? Much faster
    shutter speed to freeze the fluid (still suggsts motion). Good shot.

    Bowser. In a pan shot we expect the subject to be frozen. A rear sync
    flash pop on this would have been groovey. Much better than your
    previous effort, for sure.

    Colin Donoghue: WONDERFUL. The eye is snapped to the face of the kid
    with the mauve tee shirt. The movement of the car is not so obvious
    except as suggested by the suject itslef and especially the delighted
    kid. Great Stuff.

    Dallas Dahms: Great color, contrast and composition. Maybe shot too
    fast? A little more blur would have conveyed more motion? Good shot.

    Doug Payne. Lovely capture of two sets of motion... the lazy river and
    the canoe voyager. Very good composition, maybe a little bit over in
    the middle of the river...polarizer to reduce (not eliminate) the
    reflection and increase the contrast...? Very nice.

    Gabriel Lau Kin Jock: Overexposed in the "dark areas" under exposed for
    the highway lights. A better vantage point is reccomended. Nice
    attempt with the tree as a static object.

    John Riegle: Great colors. I wasn't sure how you did thei until I saw
    your post on the subject. Neat idea. Very good composition, but leaves
    me wondering .... what/why?

    John Wilson: Great composition of machine in motion. Maybe a more
    grzing lighting anlge and colored gels on the strobes?

    Ken cashion: We expect more from you Ken! Background is dreary and
    cluttered (almost as bad as mine!). Shot looks under exposed.

    Lionel: Hey dude! Great color and movement, not great compo.

    Lisa: Okay, slow motion it is... nice pattern.

    Martin Djernaes: This IS motion. The runners foot just discernable at
    the back of the stride.... color a bit muted but undeniably MOVING!
    great shot.

    Martin Francis: Clean. Clean. Clean up before you shoot. there is
    barely perceptible motion of the tone arm and the edge of the record.
    Splash of red is nice ... nice try, cigars kept in reserve.

    Martin Riddle: nice yellow peril shot, however, except for the
    propeller, it looks frozen in space. This is what aviation magazine
    shots look like, but does not exactly convey motion. Nice angle to
    catch the bird.

    Michael J. Hoffman: Lot's of motion, not enough saturation. Hard shot
    to get. 15 minutes earlier in the evening, might have worked better,
    the fairground lights would have been on and the colors deeper.
    Composition is pretty good.

    Michael Stevens: Magnificent. Lot's of motion, tension, competition.
    The spin of the ball is amazingly captured as is the fight between the
    players. GREAT.

    Mike Marty: Good personal shot. Handclap motion competes with the
    smile and the gaze of the watchers for our attention. Obviously sports
    fans (football I assume). Good shot/composition.

    Rich Pos: This shot says speed and we're goin' somewhere. The fixed
    reference of the car anchors us to the seat of the car. Great color.
    Great shot.

    Simon Stanmore: Great composition and color. The slightly blurred
    wings of the bird that leapt off of the chiminey speaks of the birds
    intentions to fly... the chimney as anchor balances the shot... Good shot.

    Steve Kramer: cliché time, eh Steve? I really like this as a
    composition. The colors of the fallen leaves under the stream really
    set this shot off from the typicial North American version of these
    shots. Motion? Hmm, the shot seems so timeless as to stop motion?
    Great shot Steve.

    Tony Parkinson: definite motion, but after last weeks effort, we
    expected much more, man. Exposure here is way under, but the
    composition is great. (Hiding in a van?). Grain suggests you cropped
    this from a small chunk of the image? Nice shot.

    Vic Mason: this is one of the most pleasing shots to look at. The
    clean, crisp look of the water, the smile of the swimmer, glint in the
    eye, water cascading down. Another "two sets of motion" shot, the
    swimmer coming up and the water in chaotic movement all around. The
    colors are serene and cool. Great shot.

    Warner Crump: One of my favourites of the whole bunch. B&W is the
    perfect expression for this shot and helps to reduce the background
    clutter.... well composed. Great shot.

    Simon Lee: very unusual and compelling movement and I assume multiple
    exposure. Colors are strange and the black "path" up the middle gives
    this shot purpose, direction and neccesary contrast. Great shot.

    McCleod: At first I thought this shot ordinary and then I noticed the
    blurred silhouette of the riders/chairs. Maybe too centred? Otherwise
    GREAT!

    JavaMan: Camera shake *is* motion I guess.

    Nick James: Very good pan shot, esp. taken at night like this... we can
    almost feel the vibration of the bike...

    Rudy Garcia: strikes me now how there are several shots with dual sets
    of motion in this shoot in. In this shot, the boat seems motionless,
    but we can see it has pointed purpose and that it is moving over a
    surface in motion.. Good contre-jour shot. Horizon is a bit tilted, the
    water might fall out...

    David Weesner: Effective. This would be a good poster for a pool hall
    as the vivid red really sets it off. The refelcted light tracing the
    ball's fall into the pocket is very nice. A rear-sync shot comes to
    mind as well, but this still very, very good.

    Gordon Moat: reverbs of last weeks Gordonm Moat shot here, the ambulance
    (?) about to strike out onto the noisy highway. Great pan shot esp.
    considering the movement is not taverse but close up turning...

    George: Good capture of the bird's flight, but overall the compostion
    is not too great. Crop, Crop, Crop.

    Peter Boorman (aka Bandicoot): There is a sense of dreaminess to this
    shot, but I'm not sure what kind of motion. Nice though. Pleasing to
    the eye.

    .....running for cover,
    Alan.
     
    Dallas D, Sep 15, 2003
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  9. Steve Kramer

    Alan Browne Guest

    Not for it's high quality, but for it's colors ... and moton effect.
    ....and that's the point: ...motion effect...]
    Cheers, Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 15, 2003
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  10. Well you try holding a camera still whilst driving at night! ;)
    Thanks again for all the comments - it's good to see other people's opinions
    of all the shots. I might offer mine, but I think I might get stuck saying
    'gee, I like that... gosh I don't like that... mmm that's nice....' etc..

    Chris.

    Chris.
     
    Chris Barnard, Sep 15, 2003
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  11. Definitely not my best work, but a case of finding something recent on the
    subject of Motion, this was shot at the Havant International GP on 10th
    August. I was actually crouched down on the bank at the side of the road
    with an 18mm lens. Shot on Provia 400 F
     
    Tony Parkinson, Sep 16, 2003
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  12. Steve Kramer

    Guest Guest

    It's actually a railway bridge... that's a commuter train (GO Train,
    hence the green colour) going by. I had a much better shot a month ago,
    but sticking to the rules, I submitted this one. I wasn't going to wait
    another hour to get the next train.
     
    Guest, Sep 16, 2003
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  13. Steve Kramer

    Bandicoot Guest

    [SNIP]

    Comprehensive work on the commentary front! Thanks for taking all that
    time.
    Thanks, glad you liked it. The motion is from the clouds, which were
    actually moving past the moon (and Venus, the little blue green dot) pretty
    fast, hence the blurred 'dreamy' texture to them during an exposure of
    around five seconds (I bracketed exposures and didn't write down the exact
    time for all the shots.)

    I thought the motion was immediately apparent, but then I know what it is,
    and that clouds don't normally look like that here, so I find it very
    interesting that the motion isn't obvious if you don't already know it is
    there. That said, I have to admit that it is more a shot that I find
    attractive, the attractive features of which are caused by motion, rather
    than a picture that attempts directly to depict motion itself.



    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Sep 16, 2003
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  14. Steve Kramer

    Alan Browne Guest

    Rudy Garcia wrote:

    Next time fall off the cliff. The purity of the original shot is much
    more important... and it will be so stated at your funeral.

    I lent my older SLR to my SO for her sales trip last week. Up in the
    remote reaches of Abitibi (Val D'Or) she photographed near a cliff. At
    one point, since I neglected to verify the equipment, the strap undid
    itself and the camera began to fall. My SO almost fell trying to
    prevent the camera from falling into the abyss... I've made it clear
    that next time she should just smile as the camera goes badooing, crash,
    kaboom. She replied, "but my FILM was in there!". Sigh, I've created a
    monster.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 16, 2003
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  15. Steve Kramer

    Alan Browne Guest

    I admit that after 10 or so, the novelety wears off!! Hard to keep an
    even keel through the end...
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 16, 2003
    #15
  16. Al,

    I agree, I wish there was a blured tree line, but the Stearman was to close and flying too high to
    get a good close shot. And your right on, the angle was the best aspect of the shot.

    Martin

    Al Denselbeck's shot: The composition is great with the foreground
    grasses (little pop of flash there?), river, far shore and lights
    holding up the star streaks falling/rising in gently curved arcs....
    well done.

    Alan Browne: dull lighting only partially saved by the bright clothes of
    the bikers. Sigh. If the minivan had not been there on the left, might
    have been merely okay.

    Annika's panned polo player. A little bright overall, but the moment is
    captured brillantly, and that all that counts. Could have been cropped
    a hair looser... Great shot.

    Bob Hickey. I saw this and need to go take a leak! Good shot if a bit
    dull in color. Some blue or green backlight nect time? Much faster
    shutter speed to freeze the fluid (still suggsts motion). Good shot.

    Bowser. In a pan shot we expect the subject to be frozen. A rear sync
    flash pop on this would have been groovey. Much better than your
    previous effort, for sure.

    Colin Donoghue: WONDERFUL. The eye is snapped to the face of the kid
    with the mauve tee shirt. The movement of the car is not so obvious
    except as suggested by the suject itslef and especially the delighted
    kid. Great Stuff.

    Dallas Dahms: Great color, contrast and composition. Maybe shot too
    fast? A little more blur would have conveyed more motion? Good shot.

    Doug Payne. Lovely capture of two sets of motion... the lazy river and
    the canoe voyager. Very good composition, maybe a little bit over in
    the middle of the river...polarizer to reduce (not eliminate) the
    reflection and increase the contrast...? Very nice.

    Gabriel Lau Kin Jock: Overexposed in the "dark areas" under exposed for
    the highway lights. A better vantage point is reccomended. Nice
    attempt with the tree as a static object.

    John Riegle: Great colors. I wasn't sure how you did thei until I saw
    your post on the subject. Neat idea. Very good composition, but leaves
    me wondering .... what/why?

    John Wilson: Great composition of machine in motion. Maybe a more
    grzing lighting anlge and colored gels on the strobes?

    Ken cashion: We expect more from you Ken! Background is dreary and
    cluttered (almost as bad as mine!). Shot looks under exposed.

    Lionel: Hey dude! Great color and movement, not great compo.

    Lisa: Okay, slow motion it is... nice pattern.

    Martin Djernaes: This IS motion. The runners foot just discernable at
    the back of the stride.... color a bit muted but undeniably MOVING!
    great shot.

    Martin Francis: Clean. Clean. Clean up before you shoot. there is
    barely perceptible motion of the tone arm and the edge of the record.
    Splash of red is nice ... nice try, cigars kept in reserve.

    Martin Riddle: nice yellow peril shot, however, except for the
    propeller, it looks frozen in space. This is what aviation magazine
    shots look like, but does not exactly convey motion. Nice angle to
    catch the bird.

    Michael J. Hoffman: Lot's of motion, not enough saturation. Hard shot
    to get. 15 minutes earlier in the evening, might have worked better,
    the fairground lights would have been on and the colors deeper.
    Composition is pretty good.

    Michael Stevens: Magnificent. Lot's of motion, tension, competition.
    The spin of the ball is amazingly captured as is the fight between the
    players. GREAT.

    Mike Marty: Good personal shot. Handclap motion competes with the
    smile and the gaze of the watchers for our attention. Obviously sports
    fans (football I assume). Good shot/composition.

    Rich Pos: This shot says speed and we're goin' somewhere. The fixed
    reference of the car anchors us to the seat of the car. Great color.
    Great shot.

    Simon Stanmore: Great composition and color. The slightly blurred
    wings of the bird that leapt off of the chiminey speaks of the birds
    intentions to fly... the chimney as anchor balances the shot... Good shot.

    Steve Kramer: cliché time, eh Steve? I really like this as a
    composition. The colors of the fallen leaves under the stream really
    set this shot off from the typicial North American version of these
    shots. Motion? Hmm, the shot seems so timeless as to stop motion?
    Great shot Steve.

    Tony Parkinson: definite motion, but after last weeks effort, we
    expected much more, man. Exposure here is way under, but the
    composition is great. (Hiding in a van?). Grain suggests you cropped
    this from a small chunk of the image? Nice shot.

    Vic Mason: this is one of the most pleasing shots to look at. The
    clean, crisp look of the water, the smile of the swimmer, glint in the
    eye, water cascading down. Another "two sets of motion" shot, the
    swimmer coming up and the water in chaotic movement all around. The
    colors are serene and cool. Great shot.

    Warner Crump: One of my favourites of the whole bunch. B&W is the
    perfect expression for this shot and helps to reduce the background
    clutter.... well composed. Great shot.

    Simon Lee: very unusual and compelling movement and I assume multiple
    exposure. Colors are strange and the black "path" up the middle gives
    this shot purpose, direction and neccesary contrast. Great shot.

    McCleod: At first I thought this shot ordinary and then I noticed the
    blurred silhouette of the riders/chairs. Maybe too centred? Otherwise
    GREAT!

    JavaMan: Camera shake *is* motion I guess.

    Nick James: Very good pan shot, esp. taken at night like this... we can
    almost feel the vibration of the bike...

    Rudy Garcia: strikes me now how there are several shots with dual sets
    of motion in this shoot in. In this shot, the boat seems motionless,
    but we can see it has pointed purpose and that it is moving over a
    surface in motion.. Good contre-jour shot. Horizon is a bit tilted, the
    water might fall out...

    David Weesner: Effective. This would be a good poster for a pool hall
    as the vivid red really sets it off. The refelcted light tracing the
    ball's fall into the pocket is very nice. A rear-sync shot comes to
    mind as well, but this still very, very good.

    Gordon Moat: reverbs of last weeks Gordonm Moat shot here, the ambulance
    (?) about to strike out onto the noisy highway. Great pan shot esp.
    considering the movement is not taverse but close up turning...

    George: Good capture of the bird's flight, but overall the compostion
    is not too great. Crop, Crop, Crop.

    Peter Boorman (aka Bandicoot): There is a sense of dreaminess to this
    shot, but I'm not sure what kind of motion. Nice though. Pleasing to
    the eye.

    .....running for cover,
    Alan.
     
    Martin Riddle, Sep 16, 2003
    #16
  17. Steve Kramer

    Bowser Guest

    Thanks for taking the time to comment. I picked Richard Pos' shot as the
    best one, since it's the one I always go back to, and I really liked the
    "jump to light speed" look of the shot. Good color, too.

    As far as my shot goes, I didn't want a frozen subject, since I wanted to
    convey motion of both the subject and background. Whether or not it worked
    is up to the individual, I guess.

    This is catching on. I just wish I had more time to make the photo than a
    couple of hours on a weekend day.


    Al Denselbeck's shot: The composition is great with the foreground
    grasses (little pop of flash there?), river, far shore and lights
    holding up the star streaks falling/rising in gently curved arcs....
    well done.

    Alan Browne: dull lighting only partially saved by the bright clothes of
    the bikers. Sigh. If the minivan had not been there on the left, might
    have been merely okay.

    Annika's panned polo player. A little bright overall, but the moment is
    captured brillantly, and that all that counts. Could have been cropped
    a hair looser... Great shot.

    Bob Hickey. I saw this and need to go take a leak! Good shot if a bit
    dull in color. Some blue or green backlight nect time? Much faster
    shutter speed to freeze the fluid (still suggsts motion). Good shot.

    Bowser. In a pan shot we expect the subject to be frozen. A rear sync
    flash pop on this would have been groovey. Much better than your
    previous effort, for sure.

    Colin Donoghue: WONDERFUL. The eye is snapped to the face of the kid
    with the mauve tee shirt. The movement of the car is not so obvious
    except as suggested by the suject itslef and especially the delighted
    kid. Great Stuff.

    Dallas Dahms: Great color, contrast and composition. Maybe shot too
    fast? A little more blur would have conveyed more motion? Good shot.

    Doug Payne. Lovely capture of two sets of motion... the lazy river and
    the canoe voyager. Very good composition, maybe a little bit over in
    the middle of the river...polarizer to reduce (not eliminate) the
    reflection and increase the contrast...? Very nice.

    Gabriel Lau Kin Jock: Overexposed in the "dark areas" under exposed for
    the highway lights. A better vantage point is reccomended. Nice
    attempt with the tree as a static object.

    John Riegle: Great colors. I wasn't sure how you did thei until I saw
    your post on the subject. Neat idea. Very good composition, but leaves
    me wondering .... what/why?

    John Wilson: Great composition of machine in motion. Maybe a more
    grzing lighting anlge and colored gels on the strobes?

    Ken cashion: We expect more from you Ken! Background is dreary and
    cluttered (almost as bad as mine!). Shot looks under exposed.

    Lionel: Hey dude! Great color and movement, not great compo.

    Lisa: Okay, slow motion it is... nice pattern.

    Martin Djernaes: This IS motion. The runners foot just discernable at
    the back of the stride.... color a bit muted but undeniably MOVING!
    great shot.

    Martin Francis: Clean. Clean. Clean up before you shoot. there is
    barely perceptible motion of the tone arm and the edge of the record.
    Splash of red is nice ... nice try, cigars kept in reserve.

    Martin Riddle: nice yellow peril shot, however, except for the
    propeller, it looks frozen in space. This is what aviation magazine
    shots look like, but does not exactly convey motion. Nice angle to
    catch the bird.

    Michael J. Hoffman: Lot's of motion, not enough saturation. Hard shot
    to get. 15 minutes earlier in the evening, might have worked better,
    the fairground lights would have been on and the colors deeper.
    Composition is pretty good.

    Michael Stevens: Magnificent. Lot's of motion, tension, competition.
    The spin of the ball is amazingly captured as is the fight between the
    players. GREAT.

    Mike Marty: Good personal shot. Handclap motion competes with the
    smile and the gaze of the watchers for our attention. Obviously sports
    fans (football I assume). Good shot/composition.

    Rich Pos: This shot says speed and we're goin' somewhere. The fixed
    reference of the car anchors us to the seat of the car. Great color.
    Great shot.

    Simon Stanmore: Great composition and color. The slightly blurred
    wings of the bird that leapt off of the chiminey speaks of the birds
    intentions to fly... the chimney as anchor balances the shot... Good shot.

    Steve Kramer: cliché time, eh Steve? I really like this as a
    composition. The colors of the fallen leaves under the stream really
    set this shot off from the typicial North American version of these
    shots. Motion? Hmm, the shot seems so timeless as to stop motion?
    Great shot Steve.

    Tony Parkinson: definite motion, but after last weeks effort, we
    expected much more, man. Exposure here is way under, but the
    composition is great. (Hiding in a van?). Grain suggests you cropped
    this from a small chunk of the image? Nice shot.

    Vic Mason: this is one of the most pleasing shots to look at. The
    clean, crisp look of the water, the smile of the swimmer, glint in the
    eye, water cascading down. Another "two sets of motion" shot, the
    swimmer coming up and the water in chaotic movement all around. The
    colors are serene and cool. Great shot.

    Warner Crump: One of my favourites of the whole bunch. B&W is the
    perfect expression for this shot and helps to reduce the background
    clutter.... well composed. Great shot.

    Simon Lee: very unusual and compelling movement and I assume multiple
    exposure. Colors are strange and the black "path" up the middle gives
    this shot purpose, direction and neccesary contrast. Great shot.

    McCleod: At first I thought this shot ordinary and then I noticed the
    blurred silhouette of the riders/chairs. Maybe too centred? Otherwise
    GREAT!

    JavaMan: Camera shake *is* motion I guess.

    Nick James: Very good pan shot, esp. taken at night like this... we can
    almost feel the vibration of the bike...

    Rudy Garcia: strikes me now how there are several shots with dual sets
    of motion in this shoot in. In this shot, the boat seems motionless,
    but we can see it has pointed purpose and that it is moving over a
    surface in motion.. Good contre-jour shot. Horizon is a bit tilted, the
    water might fall out...

    David Weesner: Effective. This would be a good poster for a pool hall
    as the vivid red really sets it off. The refelcted light tracing the
    ball's fall into the pocket is very nice. A rear-sync shot comes to
    mind as well, but this still very, very good.

    Gordon Moat: reverbs of last weeks Gordonm Moat shot here, the ambulance
    (?) about to strike out onto the noisy highway. Great pan shot esp.
    considering the movement is not taverse but close up turning...

    George: Good capture of the bird's flight, but overall the compostion
    is not too great. Crop, Crop, Crop.

    Peter Boorman (aka Bandicoot): There is a sense of dreaminess to this
    shot, but I'm not sure what kind of motion. Nice though. Pleasing to
    the eye.

    .....running for cover,
    Alan.
     
    Bowser, Sep 16, 2003
    #17
  18. Steve Kramer

    Lionel Guest

    Word has it that on Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:03:59 -0400, in this august
    No? There are lots of things I don't like about that shot, but I thought
    the composition was reasonably good. The two biggest problems I have
    with the shot are that the young lady on the right was meant to be
    sharper, & I would've liked to have gotten the face of the one of the
    left (she's very pretty). Sadly, fate was conspiring against me on the
    night.
     
    Lionel, Sep 16, 2003
    #18
  19. Steve Kramer

    Alan Browne Guest

    Shots like that I usually take an armload, so if talent doen't bless me,
    luck might.

    Why do I not like the composition? The girl on the left dominates the
    scene without contributing to it. She is too close to the edge of the
    frame. The girl on the right is perrfectly placed, esp. considering the
    rings of colored light. I don't know how much room you had there, but
    I would have stepped back a bit, and probably crouched down...

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 16, 2003
    #19
  20. Steve Kramer

    Gordon Moat Guest

    I really like this one. Not so much that it is the best of the images, but
    the simple composition really jumps out at you. It is a very noticeable
    image. Good choice Rich.
    Thanks Alan. I was getting some strange looks from people passing by while I
    was attempting these shots. I had no flash, and I was panning from the hip,
    with the camera prefocused. It is just a coincidence, but the lens used was
    the same as in the previous weeks picture. That lens has great stopped down
    performance, and the main reason I chose it.
    You cannot hide behind a lens cover!

    Ciao!

    Gordon Moat
    Alliance Graphique Studio
    <http://www.allgstudio.com>
     
    Gordon Moat, Sep 16, 2003
    #20
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