shooting in theatre no tripod allowed

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by bob, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. bob

    bob Guest

    I’m shooting a dance recital in a theatre.
    Due to fire code, I’m not allowed to use a tripod.
    Is there some sort of brace I can use while seated to reduce fatigue and
    help stablize the image?
    The camcorder is about 5 lbs (canon xh-a1).

    Use of the LCD screen is discouraged to reduce distraction. So I have to
    glue my eye to the viewfinder. The show is 1.5 hours long.

    Suggestions?
     
    bob, Jun 21, 2011
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  2. Given the length of the production, the weight of the
    camera, and the need to have it near to your face,
    there appears to be little choice but the use of a
    monopod. BTW, some monopods have short legs that
    drop out or fold out nearly flat at the bottom - and
    two of these small legs could fit under your legs on
    the seat to help keep the monopod from rotating...
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Jun 21, 2011
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  3. bob

    mike Guest


    I would clarify that with the appropriate official government agency
    (or the local fire department) as I've never heard of a tripod being a
    fire code issue.
    I've shot in amateur and professional theatres all across Ontario
    (Canada) and used a tripod each and every time.
    As long as you're situated in a location where you're not in anyone's
    way, I can't imagine why this would be a problem.

    Mike
     
    mike, Jun 22, 2011
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  4. bob

    Aretwodeetwo Guest

    I was in DC shooting around Congress with a Betacam and the Federal cops
    wouldn't let me use a tripod. Something about security and zooming into windows.
    All very long before 9-11

    Anyone know if that's still the case?
     
    Aretwodeetwo, Jun 22, 2011
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  5. bob

    GMAN Guest

    For the monitoring, get some of those little glasses that have the mini lcd
    screen built in and hook the video from the camcorder to them.
     
    GMAN, Jun 22, 2011
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    Tony Guest


    With those unrealistic restrictions, I would just as soon walk away from this one. It is going to
    come out shaky and crappy. If you are in a seat, peoples heads will be in front of you blocking the
    view and you will hear every cough and whisper around you unless you are planning on using a
    different audio source.
     
    Tony, Jun 23, 2011
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    Ty Ford Guest

    Yes, please show me the code. They try that in Washington DC around the
    federal buildings and say it's a trip hazard....huh?

    But then again, they have guns and dogs.

    Regards,

    Ty Ford

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    Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
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    Ty Ford, Jun 23, 2011
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    Mxsmanic Guest

    Position the tripod and camera in a location where they will not be obstacles
    to evacuation. You can sacrifice some seating positions for this.

    Use the LCD screen with a hood.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jun 23, 2011
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    Agreed. It'll be 1-1/2 hours of garbage.
     
    Larry in AZ, Jun 24, 2011
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    ushere Guest

    i'll echo that.....

    i'm always amazed that people will take on projects that from the outset
    are fraught with problems WITHOUT sorting them out with the client. then
    again, i suppose we all started learning the hard way ;-)

    btw. a number of years ago whilst shooting on the sydney harbour
    foreshore i was approached by two security guards who stated i was
    'shooting illegally' by using a tripod. when i queried this they said it
    was fine to shoot off the shoulder, but as soon as i put the camera on a
    tripod it was deemed to be 'commercial', and i would therefore have to
    pay a 'location' fee to the harbour authority board!
     
    ushere, Jun 24, 2011
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  11. Then the question is: does someone know where i can find quadripods for
    cameras?
    ;-)

    More seriously, is the harbour a restricted area in terms of public access?
     
    Laszlo_Lebrun, Jun 25, 2011
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  12. I'm afraid you appear to ask the wrong question.
    You must have tried to shoot from a tripod placed within the fire escape
    pathes.

    I assume shooting from the control room will just be fine.
    I use to be very nice to the technical team and ask for authorization to
    place there a fixed unattended camera, taking the whole performance in a
    single shoot.
    Additionally, i have got another one to take some closeups. (you might
    also ask for other's footage). The rest is done with a cutting software.

    Laszlo
     
    Laszlo_Lebrun, Jun 25, 2011
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    ushere Guest

    not restricted at all in terms of public access, but it's 'overseen' by
    the harbour authority (another state govern dept), who can issue permits
    for 'commercial' photography (another revenue raiser) - this includes
    stills as well. the assumption, so it seems, is if you put a tripod up,
    you're taking a 'for profit' shot.
     
    ushere, Jun 25, 2011
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  14. Hmm... they probably *pretend* they can.

    It would have been interesting to know which law is enabling to restrict
    photography of public areas in Australia.

    In a land of law, even a state government dept cannot restrict public
    rights (even to taking commercial photographs) without a corresponding
    applicable law.

    One can pretend quite a lot... I would not accept this without
    verification.
     
    Laszlo_Lebrun, Jun 25, 2011
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  15. So, here you have got the proof that they were wrong. The sole use of
    cameras WITH or without tripods (commercial or not) do not require any
    license.

    The application document posted looks quite reasonable. It's clear that
    if you begin with a set noticeably disturbing the harbour business, you
    will need a license. Their price list appear to be really reasonable.

    I'd sue the security guards, if they try to restrict your rights beyond
    their duties.

    Laszlo
     
    Laszlo_Lebrun, Jun 25, 2011
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  16. bob

    bob Guest

    I assume shooting from the control room will just be fine.

    yes, but shooting from the control room means shooting downwards at the
    performers

    Here's someone else's video showing the effect of shooting downwards:


    Because of the angle, the dancers look shorter and don't make eye contact
    with the camera. I would rather hand hold the camcorder and sit at eye level
    than to shoot down.
     
    bob, Jun 25, 2011
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  17. Unfortunately, this SME-music-content is not available in Germany
    because GEMA has not granted the respective music publishing rights.
    Sorry about that.

    No luck.

    Depending on where the control room is located, yes. But i suggested to
    have an overall take from that location and include inlays taken from
    the public. That will reduce the impact of your remark, isn't it?
     
    Laszlo_Lebrun, Jun 25, 2011
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    ushere Guest

    ushere, Jun 25, 2011
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