Should I buy the D80 or wait for the D300?

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by BobF, Nov 18, 2007.

  1. BobF

    BobF Guest

    I sold my D70...

    I have lots of Nikon lenses so I will stay with Nikon, but which one...

    Now the 300 costs twice the 80, but is it worth it?

    Any reasons you have for picking one over the other would be appreciated!

    I'm going to have to make a comparison list, and see if the pros outweigh the
    cons for either choice.

    thanks!
     
    BobF, Nov 18, 2007
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  2. With the question "is it worth it", means you are like most of us,
    not loaded with money. That is a question only YOU can answer. I am
    average, so with my opinion and $1.50 you can buy a cup of coffee.
    I have two D70's, maybe I bought yours on E-bay. A backup for doing
    weddings. Ah weddings, not all that fun, but pay for the DSLR habit.
    I will almost surely buy a D300. My reasons, first and most: the
    color histogram, not just the green channel. I have had to correct way
    to many shots, relying on the D70 histogram. Second, the larger LCD
    monitor, better 'chimping'. Can't really understand why I would use the
    'LIVE VIEW' but maybe I will. A few on this NG poke fun at Ken
    Rockwell, but again my opinion, I think he gives good reasons for and
    against purchasing the D300.
    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d300.htm
     
    Wolfgang Schmittenhammer, Nov 18, 2007
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  3. Also:
    http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/is-it-worth-it.htm
     
    Wolfgang Schmittenhammer, Nov 18, 2007
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  4. That is the eternal question that only _YOU_ can answer because nobody else
    knows your needs, desires, dreams, and check book.

    jue
     
    Jürgen Exner, Nov 18, 2007
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  5. BobF

    acl Guest

    If those are your only reasons, why not a D80? It also has colour
    histograms and a bigger LCD, and it's a lot cheaper. Or a used D200,
    for that matter. But the D300 does have better AF (more points and
    presumably faster, if it's the same as the D3), and I imagine lower
    noise. And larger buffer than the D80. The live view should be useful
    for shots from awkward angles (I think it can zoom in for focusing,
    which is useful for macro, too).

    As for me, I'll wait for a few more generations to upgrade my D200;
    live histogram (preferably with real-time indications of over- and
    under-exposure overlaid in the viewfinder, electronic or optical), an
    articulated LCD and more than 20 megapixels should do the trick. Since
    all these (minus the megapixels) can be trivially implemented on EVFs
    (and currently are, even in older cameras like a minolta z3), I don't
    think it'll take more than a couple of generations to integrate them
    into dslrs (or get rid of mirrors and prisms in favour of high-
    resolution, fast evfs).
     
    acl, Nov 18, 2007
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  6. BobF

    Douglas Guest

    D80 is not in the class of a D300. Consider that the D300 is a
    replacement for the D200 and what you choose to do with the D80 is
    entirely irrelevant.

    Douglas
     
    Douglas, Nov 18, 2007
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  7. BobF

    Pete D Guest

    There is a definitive answer and it is:

    If you have to ask then you most certainly do not need the D300.

    Cheers.

    Pete
     
    Pete D, Nov 18, 2007
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  8. BobF

    Paul Furman Guest

    The D200 was a major u[grade when my D70 bit the dust. The D300 seems to
    offer better low noise/low light, a bigger LCD screen (I've enjoyed the
    incremental upgrade to a D200 LCD), and a bunch of manual controls on
    the body that you don't have to go menu diving foras well as a more
    robust body that perhaps would have saved my D70 from dying on the trail.
     
    Paul Furman, Nov 18, 2007
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  9. Dpreview listed the CON's for the D80 as the following
    High sensitivity (ISO) noise levels higher than Canon EOS 400D
    Noise reduction can be intrusive, although adjustable, more grain-like
    appearance
    Default sharpness level perhaps still a little conservative
    Disappointing automatic white balance performance in incandescent light
    No RAW adjustment with supplied PictureProject, only simple conversion
    Limited image parameter adjustment (especially for color saturation)
    Slower maximum shutter speed (1/4000 vs 1/8000 sec) compared to D70/D70s

    The price though is about half of the new D300. How bad do you want that
    extra 2MP and LiveView? Right now Olympus has the best LiveView out there
    the way their screen revolves around to allow flexible viewing.

    My suggestion (used to be Nikon user now Canon) go with the D80 it has great
    feedback scores, they already have the bugs worked out where as the D300
    will be like experimental for a little while. Greatest factor to consider
    is for that extra $900.00 that you would pay for the D300 body you could buy
    you one killer Lens or two good lens to go with your D80 and that's really
    worth a lot if you don't have all your lens already. Go for a ultra wide.
    angle say 10-22mm or maybe a 300+mm lens to supplement your equipment.

    That's just my opinion which isn't worth as much as a gallon of milk these
    days. Good Luck. As for me I'm planning to purchase a Full Frame Sensor
    model to replace my Canon 10D.
     
    Gary Kendrick, Nov 18, 2007
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  10. On 18-Nov-07 09:52:41, Gary Kendrick said

    I'm probably wrong but I had an idea that the D80 needed its own
    particular lenses for autofocus and stuff. Obviously worth being sure
    about that.

    Also didn't the D70 have a better flash synch speed?


    All the best,
    Angus Manwaring. (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)

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    Angus Manwaring, Nov 18, 2007
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  11. BobF

    Pete D Guest

    Most external flashes will let you shoot at much higher speeds so that
    should not be a limiting factor I would think.
     
    Pete D, Nov 18, 2007
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  12. I bought two D80 bodies instead of spending $2000USD (or more) on a
    single camera...I like to leave the house with two lenses ready to go,
    and find I can get away with far fewer lens changes, not to mention the
    other advantages of redundancy...even though I haven't had a mechanical
    or electrical failure, I still have no regrets about the decision...I
    expect the D80 to fill my needs for longer than a couple of years,
    probably until I have some very good reason for an FX format, as well
    as a far bigger budget...for a working pro, a D3 + D300 combo might be
    good, but I am getting great (amateur) results from the D80s
     
    Serge Desplanques, Nov 18, 2007
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  13. BobF

    Frank Arthur Guest

    message
    1. No You don't need special lenses but if you don't use DX lenses
    you will be missing out.

    2. You can use high speed flash with the D80
     
    Frank Arthur, Nov 18, 2007
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  14. On 18-Nov-07 14:18:19, Frank Arthur said

    Could you enlarge slghtly on that? I might be getting a D80 myself.


    All the best,
    Angus Manwaring. (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)

    I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
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    Angus Manwaring, Nov 18, 2007
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  15. BobF

    Stormlady Guest


    Why would DX lenses be better than regular lenses on the D80? I have the
    D80 and right now, just the kit lens, but will definately soon be buying
    more. I thought the main appeal of DX lenses was that they were cheaper
    than FF lenses?
     
    Stormlady, Nov 18, 2007
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  16. DX lenses are lighter, smaller, and cheaper than their full-frame
    counterparts. They are also newer lens designs and therefore _may_
    incorporate newer methods or technology.

    Aside of that they _DON'T_ offer any better optical qualities.

    jue
     
    Jürgen Exner, Nov 18, 2007
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  17. BobF

    Paul Furman Guest

    The D40 needs in-lens AF (AF-S or similar)
    D70 has a hybrid electronic shutter so faster shutter speeds. For high
    speed flash synch you need an expensive external flash.
     
    Paul Furman, Nov 18, 2007
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  18. BobF

    Frank Arthur Guest

    Hold out for the D4 or D400!
    It may have electro phosphorescence and communicationss with Mars
    and you will be left with an old fashioned second best Nikon on the
    block!
     
    Frank Arthur, Nov 18, 2007
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  19. BobF

    Frank Arthur Guest

    DX lenses are a bargain pricewise. In addition they autofocus almost
    instantly compared to
    regular autofocus lenses. Most are ED glass which are tops in color
    correction. There are a few that are VR meaning that you can hand hold
    your camera and get viabration free images. There's a newer Nikkor
    55-200mm ED VR lens that is available in the US for about $275 and a
    top notch 70-300mm ED VR lens. I use that one and my all time favorite
    24-120mm ED VR lens that I shoot 90% of my images in. Lately that lens
    is going for giveaway prices.
     
    Frank Arthur, Nov 18, 2007
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  20. BobF

    Frank Arthur Guest

    Most serious flash users buy the external flash units like the SB600
    or SB800.
    The built in pop-up flash units are like toys and have limited flash
    ability.
     
    Frank Arthur, Nov 18, 2007
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