[SI} Cranky Jim's Comments

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by jimkramer, Jul 19, 2004.

  1. jimkramer

    Sabineellen Guest

    Hi... The "end" is already being achieved; The Bush-related industries (oil,
    defence... etc) are raking in money like never before. Let's just hope the plan
    for democracy in Iraq succeeds and that it cascades into the rest of the middle
    east, and let's hope whomever wins the elections stays firm on that; it'd be a
    waste if all this was just to profit a few and nothing good came out of it.
    I'll keep a touch of realistic cynicism and be the first to admit that i won't
    be naiively optimistic, this war is things other than mere ideals.

    The US needs to stay in the Iraq for strategic reasons. The regime in Saudi is
    pretty shaky right now due to insurgents and if something happens they need to
    have a presence that'd enable them to move swiftly and take control of the Gulf
    oil fields. Whether the Greens' like it or not, Oil is likely to remain the
    main fuel of the economy for a long time, and the Gulf region is likely to
    remain critical.

    Same for Afghanistan, it's all about those central Asian oil fields.
     
    Sabineellen, Jul 22, 2004
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  2. I agree with that....Even Bush is making noises about manned landings on
    Mars......He's just as determined to spend other peoples money as are the
    rest of them.......I guess it's a disease.....It reminds me of that ad where
    the people are talking about all the stuff they can buy with stolen credit
    cards, using the voices of the owners.......Makes me want to rush out and
    spend all my savings as quickly as possible before inflation eats it up...
     
    William Graham, Jul 22, 2004
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  3. Whoa! Let's slow down here. Didn't mean to steer things into a rabid
    debate over Iraq. Whatever your feelings are on the subject, and no
    matter HOW fun it is to brow-beat the other side, it doesn't really have
    much to do with photography.
     
    Brian C. Baird, Jul 22, 2004
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  4. jimkramer

    Matt Clara Guest

    That's true, Brian, but, as many an old timer who won't discuss politics
    will tell you, it doesn't pay to discuss politics. You won't convince the
    other side, and they won't convince you. (That's because, like advertising,
    they really just want to play us against each other: meanwhile it's
    business as usual $$.)
     
    Matt Clara, Jul 22, 2004
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  5. jimkramer

    Annika1980 Guest

    From: "William Graham"
    One thing you can count on. If a terrorist attack occurs during a Democratic
    regime, we will seek out the true terrorists and not play cowboy and go and
    fight old family battles.
     
    Annika1980, Jul 22, 2004
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  6. jimkramer

    st3ph3nm Guest

    I find your reasoning flawed - you've neglected to account for the
    years of deprivation caused by the US's refusal to allow the lifting
    of sanctions against Iraq over the last 10 years - despite UN (two UN
    secretaries overseeing this very issue quit over it) & even CIA
    advisors suggesting it'd be a good idea to lift them - causing an
    estimated 600,000 unnecessary deaths due to lack of medical supplies
    in the Iraqi population - mainly the very old and very young. An
    appalling use of the veto powers that the US enjoys.

    As you noted, of course, your source material isn't definitive...

    Cheers,
    Steve

    Back to looking for entrances etc...
     
    st3ph3nm, Jul 22, 2004
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  7. I wish I could believe that were true.....If I could be sure it was true,
    then even I might vote Democratic, but I don't think their history over my
    lifetime shows me very much in the way of positive action to threats. The
    last good Democrat (to me) was Harry Truman.
     
    William Graham, Jul 22, 2004
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  8. I find your reasoning flawed - you've neglected to account for the
    years of deprivation caused by the US's refusal to allow the lifting
    of sanctions against Iraq over the last 10 years - despite UN (two UN
    secretaries overseeing this very issue quit over it) & even CIA
    advisors suggesting it'd be a good idea to lift them - causing an
    estimated 600,000 unnecessary deaths due to lack of medical supplies
    in the Iraqi population - mainly the very old and very young. An
    appalling use of the veto powers that the US enjoys.[/QUOTE]

    If those sanctions had nothing to do with Saddam Hussein, I would agree with
    you, but unfortunately, he brought them on himself, or, I should say, his
    people, since HE didn't suffer any for the lack of medical supplies.......
     
    William Graham, Jul 22, 2004
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  9. jimkramer

    Guest Guest

    Archived from "William Graham" <> on Wed, 21 Jul 2004
    23:11:03 GMT:

    [. . .]
    Politics aside, this is another example, one of countless others, that
    conclusively demonstrates just how effective "the terrorists" have been
    instilling terror into the heart of the American population (with ample
    help from our local and national media). I believe that 9/11 was more
    successful than those miscreants had hoped for even in their wildest
    dreams.

    Vic
     
    Guest, Jul 22, 2004
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