SI - Work - Comments

Discussion in 'Photography' started by tony cooper, Mar 24, 2012.

  1. tony cooper

    tony cooper Guest

    FrankEss-worka: Far too cluttered. No one would ever guess the
    subject is "work".

    FrankEss-workb: I dunno if this says "work', but it's an interesting
    scene.

    ?-Amateur physicist: Really interesting project. Full credit for
    imagination.

    Savageduck-(Genius Bar): Unusual review for the Duck, but Why did you
    bother to post this?

    Savageduck-(Juggler): That's better. Good grab. You brought in a
    lot of elements...juggler, balls in the air, kid audience.

    Savageduck-(Creekside): Very sharp photo and good catch of the man
    with the smoke behind him, but not a really interesting scene.

    Bowser-(Adult Club): Anyone who doesn't think the SI can be fun should
    see this. What a find!

    Bowser-(Helicopter): Nicely done.

    Bowser-(?): I wouldn't stand under that.

    Conway-(Surveyor): Really?

    Conway-(Construction): Archive shot is one thing, but a scan of a 50s
    snapshot is stretching it too much.

    Conway-(Construction2): Ibid.

    MG-Painter: I like it. The curtain adds a good touch.

    Browne-Surveyor: Not much here.

    Browne-Lady Cop: Like Bowser's Adult Club, it's a fun photo.

    Browne-Flyfishing: Technically what I expect from Alan. After reading
    the threads on loss of detail at reduced size, I have to wonder if any
    more detail in the background of trees would add anything to the
    image. I think not.

    Richa-(Rug seller): This is the kind of shot I go after. I like the
    candid catches.

    Richa-(Camera exchange): Again, I'd do that shot. (And have, but
    with fewer in the crowd) Well composed for a candid.

    Philo-(Manikin): It's interesting, but it took me too long to figure
    out what was going on.

    PeterNewman-Coming Home: I like this kind of shot. The viewer can
    place himself as the subject. We've all been there.

    Banks-(Helicopter): Strangely static for the scene. I want some blur
    on those blades.

    The best photo in the bunch (IMO) is Alan's fly fishing, but there are
    several that are more interesting. Does that reflect what we are like
    as photographers? Do some of us go for the interesting and some of us
    go for the cover of some magazine?

    The biggest surprise is Peter Newman's. The guy who likes abstracts
    presents a slice of life photo.
     
    tony cooper, Mar 24, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    On 3/24/2012 2:53 PM, tony cooper wrote:

    Thank you for your comment: I had problems finding a work scene I could
    relate to.




    In any shot I try to present an abstract concept or pattern. In my Si
    image I see a repeating pattern and intersecting lines. The red bag is a
    counterpoint.

    Here is another of my images, where the abstraction is in the feather
    pattern.

    <http://www.pflionline.com/p16.html>

    I like abstracts that present the essence of my subject. I do not like
    abstracts in the Jackson Pollack sense. I look for the pattern abstraction.

    Another example, where I tried for the essence of the peacock in a
    manner that is not a cliche.

    <http://peternewman.smugmug.com/Photography/Abstract/21271728_bCdThq#!i=1693670410&k=4gXkj6L>
     
    PeterN, Mar 25, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    On 3/24/2012 2:53 PM, tony cooper wrote:

    I mostly agree with your comments, but I am too lazy to repeat name and,
    except where noted I don't have much to add to your comments:

    Too me it's a representation of work. Nice presentation of the art of
    others.


    Nice capture. the facial expression says work.

    It would be nice to see more of the workers. ;-)

    That image just cries out of HDR
    to me the parties don't seem to be relating to each other. the seller
    has zero interest in the buyers. Probably telling the photographer not
    to take his picture.
    I will not pick a best.
    the potter and the helicopter are good examples of interesting work shots.
    Tony Cooper - Sparks The there prosence is there, I owuld have preferred
    a bit mor subject matter isolation.The light green shadows and turquoise
    strip are distracting to my eye.


    Tony cooper - lady barber - why is it necessary to show all the junk in
    the barber shop/ I am sure why it was included.

    Tony Cooper the potter. Very well done. We can see his creativity in his
    interesting hands. Well done.
    My only nit is the inclusion of the frame in the upper right.
     
    PeterN, Mar 25, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Hey! Alleged Apple geniuses at work.
    Thanks. A little later he was juggling chainsaws.
    Just a guy working at barbecuing Tri-tip on his big street wood burner.

    BTW: I thought your "Potter's Hands" was the pick of the bunch.
     
    Savageduck, Mar 25, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Agree. Every time I wanted to take a photo of him more engaged he'd
    stop to talk with me. Turns out he's an immigrant from Albania - been
    here a few years. Nice fellow.
    Should have used this instead, I think:
    http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/62816810/1/P?h=8aceac

    There were a couple loose dogs, one of which was very aggressive. The
    larger dog kept protecting people (strangers to it) against the smaller
    dog when it was getting too close to people. The position of sunlight,
    people, dogs, cop car, etc. didn't make for any good grabs (I shot about
    8 frames). IAC, once she got the smaller dog into her car, the owner
    showed up. I expected him to be fined (neither dog was tagged, nor of
    course leashed while in public) but she was just happy that he came to
    get the dogs.
    While the DOF was relatively deep (f/8), the BG trees were just out of
    focus. This was hand held with anti-shake. There could not have been
    more BG detail w/o a tripod and smaller aperture.
    Not IMO. It was a "last of roll" kind of shot. I was trying to get
    that cool arc of line. But thanks.
    I went to fill the SI the day before it was due. Procrastination
    doesn't help.
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 25, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    *Nothing* cries out for HDR! HDR images cry out for restraint.
    I think I related to that one because I've been to camera exchanges
    like this and seen seller's like that. They *don't* have an interest
    in the buyers. They resent that buyers are only willing to pay a
    couple of bucks for some of the finest film cameras made. They are
    tired of all those people who come up and say "Oh, I used to have one
    of those!" and rave about the camera, but walk away without buying
    anything. They are tired of packing and unpacking stuff to show that
    no one buys. They can't *sell* the product to someone who has no
    interest in film bodies, so they wait for the person who is looking
    for a specific item.
    Ah, but that was the intent...to find an old-fashioned barbershop with
    all of the "junk" and old-timey things that barbershops used to have
    before men starting getting their hair cut at beauty salons. It took
    me quite a bit of searching to find one. I wish I had a wide-angle
    lens and could have included more of the junk.

    I don't have any idea of what you mean here. Do you mean the light
    colored thing in the upper left? Dyslexia at work here?

    But, thanks for the comments.
     
    tony cooper, Mar 25, 2012
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    Pete A Guest

    It's my favourite shot. I personally find it very interesting because
    of my fascination with man and machine working in harmony together.
    I found this so amusing that I was unable to laugh aloud, which is
    extremely rare for me :)
    I sort-of agree, but have a look at the "medium size": it's just a
    horribly jagged photo, which it shouldn't be if image scaling was
    working properly.

    It's crying out for blur on those blades.
    I can't answer that question because I suppose it depends far too much
    on the target audience of the magazines you are thinking of. What you
    and I have in mind are probably worlds apart.
    I too was surprised.


    Tony, my favourite set is yours: not only do your three images have a
    lot in common in terms of very pleasant lightning, exposure, and scene
    colours, I get a very strong sense of "being there" rather than just
    looking at photos of events.

    Thanks for being the first to write comments, I enjoyed reading them.
     
    Pete A, Mar 25, 2012
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    Pete A Guest

    The _only_ fashion that I'm glad didn't fade away is the miniskirt. HDR
    nearly always reminds me of ultra-high pink platform shoes with
    horizontal stripes (pass me the sick bucket, please).

    I enjoy producing some of my bizarre abstractions, but, like eating a
    whole jar of cookies, it only seems like a good idea at the time - it
    shouldn't become an addiction.
     
    Pete A, Mar 25, 2012
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    George Kerby Guest

    Ditto that, Duck!
     
    George Kerby, Mar 25, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    I can see Alan's photo on the cover of some magazine called "Fly
    Fisherman's Digest", "Outdoor World", or "Canadian Fisherman". (Made
    up titles since I don't fish or read magazines about fishing)

    I'm going to assume that Alan shoots RAW and can produce an image from
    the original that is magazine-worthy. It's the scene, not the
    rendition we see, that makes it.
    Ta.
     
    tony cooper, Mar 25, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    To be magazine worthy such a subject would need a more colorful, fall or
    spring setting, and more appropriate accoutrements, not the muted tones
    of that scene. While I sort of captured the essential movement of the
    fly line on the other hand it's a muddy local river in spring melt mode.
    What I really wanted to capture was the incongruity of fly fishing
    with the snowbanks.

    http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/62816810/1/P?h=8aceac

    (1st image at present).

    But that kinda crudded up the image. So cropped to essential.

    (Note: I was chatting with another fisherman there - there's really
    nothing to catch - they're just getting ready for trout season on lakes
    and streams up north...)

    Yes I always shoot raw as it gives me the most latitude in session edits
    (and of course gives more leeway for exposure over/under run).
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 25, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Can't help what pbase' image rendition does at the smaller sizes. Had I
    sized it for that presentation size it would not have the 'jaggies'.

    It gets worse... here's an image from many SI's ago:

    http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/25250889 - nice and crisp.
    but shown as "Pbase large" it comes out:
    http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/25250889/large OUCH!!!
    and even worse:
    http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/25250889/small
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 25, 2012
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  13. I *knew* Tony was hiding a "crop" in there somewhere.

    Eeeeeh, very clever.
     
    Charles E. Hardwidge, Mar 25, 2012
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    Pete A Guest

    This is no way a criticism, it took me a minute or two to find the
    correct URL for your beautiful shot:

    Ouch, indeed. This demonstrates the very essence of my long-winded
    comments in another thread about image scaling and other software
    imaging issues: no matter how carefully we prepare a digital image for
    electronic transfer, the viewing audience may be seeing only a crap
    rendition of our work. There is nothing we can do about this other than
    thrusting a superb print in their face.
     
    Pete A, Mar 25, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    You're right - PBase are inconsistent in handling the main link.
    If the link provided is to the image posted, it normally is no issue.
    When viewing other people's work I know immediately (most times) if I'm
    not seeing the original from the way it's presented on Pbase.
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 25, 2012
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    The definition and sharpness of the original makes it by far the best.

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Mar 25, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    The point was about how Pbase's brainless re-sizer does not do a good job.
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 25, 2012
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    Frank S Guest

    Thank you, Peter.

    In my head I could see the sculptor sculpting, which was surely work, and it
    resulted in his work, which worked for me.

    My submission notes:

    b: A portion of Ricardo Brecedo's "Grape Pickers" welded-steel sculpture
    near Borrego Springs, east San Diego County, California. There are 128
    others of his works to discover and enjoy in the area, including a
    350-foot-long "Dragon Snake".

    a: View (from my front porch) of construction on the community college
    campus. This is about as near as I want to get to "work".


    I was - still am - convinced that the orange and green safety vests on the
    site will convey "workers" to the perspicacious; "work" is included in
    "workers", even for (wonder why I no longer see his posts) the vaunted
    appreciator, Tony Cooper.


    Any road, I do enjoy looking at photos, and appreciate the effort that goes
    into them. What inhibits my likelihood of submitting? I feel as if when I do
    put up some work, it is possible that some will attract comments, and I
    would then owe comments to the community. I'm too slothful to guarantee I
    will respond, and remain forever in debt.
     
    Frank S, Mar 26, 2012
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  19. You have a valid point, and the technical generic maxim that it
    demonstrates is what Eric needs to consider.

    He says the original large size image looks better on his
    monitor than the downsized image. From that he concludes
    (falsely) that downsizing is the problem he is seeing. But that
    misses the point that, because he is viewing it on a computer
    monitor screen *both images necessarily* have been downsized
    anyway! Both the original and the pre-downsized version are
    displayed as a downsized image! He *cannot* view the original
    at full size.

    If, as an example, the monitor is a very nice 1600x1200 display,
    and the window in which the images are viewed is say 1200x800...
    *BOTH* of the images have necessarily been resampled to 1200x800
    for viewing. The large one is downsized, and if the already
    downsized image is already at 1200x800 then *nothing* further is
    done with it. The only difference is how each is downsized, not if
    one is and the other not.

    And note that the software that is used for viewing almost
    *certainly* uses just about the simplest possible resampling
    algorithm (i.e., also the worst for this purpose), which means
    the original large image is probably viewed with technically
    less quality than the pre-downsized version that we might assume
    was done with at least some modicum of competence! For example,
    the pre-downsized image was probably resampled in PhotoShop
    using a Bi-Cubic algorithm (which is used because it has a small
    amount of "ringing" that has the effect of minimal sharpening).
    In addition a truly competent operator would add a touch of USM
    and Sharpen adjusted for effect based on the particular image.

    The fact is that a pre-downsized image can and should look
    *better* than the original when viewed on a computer monitor.

    That is not to say that if the original is printed on a large
    format printer that it will not be impressively more detailed.
    But viewing full size on a computer cannot duplicate a full size
    print that is larger! And unless Eric is printing these images
    for comparison, it does appear that his method for viewing or his
    judgment, one or the other, is lacking.

    I have no personal interest in the shootin, but the technical
    requirements for size and dimensions are clearly very reasonable,
    very easy to deal with, and are similar to other online photo
    contests.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Mar 26, 2012
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    Understood.

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Mar 26, 2012
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