Silver Gelatin

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by Matt Clara, May 24, 2005.

  1. Matt Clara

    Matt Clara Guest

    So, having combed the archives for all of three minutes, I've come to the
    realization that I'm _already_ making silver gelatin prints with Ilford
    papers. I am so cool, and I didn't even know it ;-) It looks like all the
    rage these days is to buy _liquid_ silver gelatin and paint it onto other
    substrates, such as homemade paper, ceramics, or whatever won't fall apart
    or be altered by the chemicals at hand, and make prints on those surfaces.

    Where do you buy your liquid silver gelatin? I've found this page:
    http://www.rockaloid.com/prices.html#liquid $56 seems a tad pricey, but
    then, I don't really know.

    Thanks.

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    Matt Clara
    www.mattclara.com
     
    Matt Clara, May 24, 2005
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  2. "Matt Clara" <> wrote

    > So, having combed the archives for all of three minutes, I've come to the
    > realization that I'm _already_ making silver gelatin prints with Ilford
    > papers. I am so cool, and I didn't even know it ...


    Tout ce qui n' est point prose est vers,
    et tout ce qui n' est point vers est prose.

    Moliere

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    Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
    To reply, remove spaces: n o lindan at ix . netcom . com
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    Nicholas O. Lindan, May 24, 2005
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  3. Matt Clara

    Matt Clara Guest

    "Nicholas O. Lindan" <> wrote in message
    news:twIke.9810$...
    > "Matt Clara" <> wrote
    >
    > > So, having combed the archives for all of three minutes, I've come to

    the
    > > realization that I'm _already_ making silver gelatin prints with Ilford
    > > papers. I am so cool, and I didn't even know it ...

    >
    > Tout ce qui n' est point prose est vers,
    > et tout ce qui n' est point vers est prose.
    >
    > Moliere
    >


    Well, at least someone's having fun here. BTW, I'd appreciate it if you'd
    keep the emoticon when you snip my post leaving only the part I'm kidding
    about. Thanks.

    --
    Regards,
    Matt Clara
    www.mattclara.com
     
    Matt Clara, May 24, 2005
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  4. Matt Clara

    John Guest

    On Tue, 24 May 2005 16:21:45 GMT, "Nicholas O. Lindan" <> wrote:

    > Tout ce qui n' est point prose est vers,
    > et tout ce qui n' est point vers est prose.
    >
    > Moliere


    Goes well with Louis XIV ;>))

    JD - www.puresilver.org
     
    John, May 24, 2005
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  5. "Matt Clara" <> wrote

    > Well, at least someone's having fun here. BTW, I'd appreciate it if you'd
    > keep the emoticon when you snip my post leaving only the part I'm kidding
    > about. Thanks.


    7,000 years of writing and no need of 'emoticons', and now?
    Jonathan Swift wept.

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    Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
    Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
    To reply, remove spaces: n o lindan at ix . netcom . com
    psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, May 24, 2005
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  6. <John> wrote
    > "Nicholas O. Lindan" <> wrote:
    > > Tout ce qui n' est point prose est vers,
    > > et tout ce qui n' est point vers est prose.
    > > Moliere

    > Goes well with Louis XIV ;>))


    or Louis XV:

    "Apres moi, le digitale"

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    Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
    Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
    To reply, remove spaces: n o lindan at ix . netcom . com
    psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, May 24, 2005
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  7. Matt Clara

    Matt Clara Guest

    "Nicholas O. Lindan" <> wrote in message
    news:0ELke.7080$...
    > "Matt Clara" <> wrote
    >
    >> Well, at least someone's having fun here. BTW, I'd appreciate it if
    >> you'd
    >> keep the emoticon when you snip my post leaving only the part I'm kidding
    >> about. Thanks.

    >
    > 7,000 years of writing and no need of 'emoticons', and now?
    > Jonathan Swift wept.
    >


    Do you have to work hard at being an ass, or does it come naturally?

    --
    Regards,
    Matt Clara M.A. English Language and Literature, and who could talk circles
    around you concerning Jonathan Swift, you smug prick, you.
    www.mattclara.com
     
    Matt Clara, May 24, 2005
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  8. "Matt Clara" <> wrote in message
    news:dmHke.489880$...
    > So, having combed the archives for all of three minutes,
    > I've come to the
    > realization that I'm _already_ making silver gelatin
    > prints with Ilford
    > papers. I am so cool, and I didn't even know it ;-) It
    > looks like all the
    > rage these days is to buy _liquid_ silver gelatin and
    > paint it onto other
    > substrates, such as homemade paper, ceramics, or whatever
    > won't fall apart
    > or be altered by the chemicals at hand, and make prints on
    > those surfaces.
    >
    > Where do you buy your liquid silver gelatin? I've found
    > this page:
    > http://www.rockaloid.com/prices.html#liquid $56 seems a
    > tad pricey, but
    > then, I don't really know.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > --
    > Regards,
    > Matt Clara
    > www.mattclara.com
    >

    Silver-gelatin seems to be a description invented by
    gallery owners to distinguish "plain vanila" prints from
    those made by more exotic methods like Platinum or Carbon.
    Being a gallery term its slightly high-flown.
    I think all the liquid emulsion sold is made by Kentmere
    in England. Kentmere is a very old company who make some
    very good papers and specialty products.
    There are several ways of printing on special materials.
    One, of course, is the use of a coatable emulsion but one
    can also print using photolithography or by using silk
    screen using a gelatin or other colloid to make the mask.
    There are also methods of coating something like Carbon
    tissue material with an appropriate pigment onto a ceramic
    and firing it. The pigment then becomes imbedded in the
    glaze while the colloid is burned away. I no longer remember
    the name of this method.


    --
    ---
    Richard Knoppow
    Los Angeles, CA, USA
     
    Richard Knoppow, May 24, 2005
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  9. Matt Clara

    Peter Chant Guest

    Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:


    > 7,000 years of writing and no need of 'emoticons', and now?
    > Jonathan Swift wept.
    >


    Whats the hieroglyph for 'up yours'...


    ;-)

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    http://www.petezilla.co.uk
     
    Peter Chant, May 25, 2005
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  10. Matt Clara

    Peter Chant Guest

    Richard Knoppow wrote:


    > Silver-gelatin seems to be a description invented by
    > gallery owners to distinguish "plain vanila" prints from
    > those made by more exotic methods like Platinum or Carbon.


    On the first read through I read that as 'plutonium'!

    Probally safest to give those prints a miss.

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    http://www.petezilla.co.uk
     
    Peter Chant, May 25, 2005
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  11. Matt Clara

    Travis Porco Guest

    In article <>,
    Peter Chant <> wrote:
    >Richard Knoppow wrote:


    >> Silver-gelatin seems to be a description invented by
    >> gallery owners to distinguish "plain vanila" prints from
    >> those made by more exotic methods like Platinum or Carbon.


    >On the first read through I read that as 'plutonium'!


    >Probally safest to give those prints a miss.


    Though as you and many others know, <a href="http://www.unblinkingeye.com/Articles/Uranium/uranium.html">uranium</a> was actually used in alternative processes, strange
    as it may seem today.
     
    Travis Porco, May 25, 2005
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  12. Matt Clara

    John Guest

    On Tue, 24 May 2005 20:04:05 GMT, "Nicholas O. Lindan" <> wrote:

    ><John> wrote
    >> "Nicholas O. Lindan" <> wrote:
    >> > Tout ce qui n' est point prose est vers,
    >> > et tout ce qui n' est point vers est prose.
    >> > Moliere

    >> Goes well with Louis XIV ;>))

    >
    >or Louis XV:


    Actually I think it was XIII. About $100 per quaff when I worked at Lafayette but
    of course I get the "employee discount" ;>))

    JD - www.puresilver.org
     
    John, May 25, 2005
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  13. "Richard Knoppow" <> wrote

    > There are also methods of coating something like Carbon
    > tissue material with an appropriate pigment onto a ceramic
    > and firing it. The pigment then becomes imbedded in the
    > glaze while the colloid is burned away. I no longer remember
    > the name of this method.


    Now _that's_ archival.

    I remember seeing a photograph made on a white porcelain
    tile. The subject was a bathroom fixture.

    --
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
    Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, May 25, 2005
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  14. Re: photographic process on tile.

    Further research uncovers:

    http://picturetiling.com/homepage.htm
    http://www.thetilemaster.com/

    Decorated ceramic tile is in with the modern Yuppie
    crowd.

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    Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
    Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
    To reply, remove spaces: n o lindan at ix . netcom . com
    psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, May 25, 2005
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  15. "Richard Knoppow" <> wrote

    > There are also methods of coating something like Carbon
    > tissue material with an appropriate pigment onto a ceramic
    > and firing it. The pigment then becomes imbedded in the
    > glaze while the colloid is burned away. I no longer remember
    > the name of this method.


    Dating to 1890, still used for photographs on gravestones:

    http://www.printandclay.net/printandclay/viewpointtext.htm

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    Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
    Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
    To reply, remove spaces: n o lindan at ix . netcom . com
    psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, May 25, 2005
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  16. "Peter Chant" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Richard Knoppow wrote:
    >
    >
    >> Silver-gelatin seems to be a description invented by
    >> gallery owners to distinguish "plain vanila" prints from
    >> those made by more exotic methods like Platinum or
    >> Carbon.

    >
    > On the first read through I read that as 'plutonium'!
    >
    > Probally safest to give those prints a miss.
    >
    > --
    > http://www.petezilla.co.uk


    No Plutonium but there is a Uranium toner, once fairly
    popular. Uranium can also be used as a mordant for dye
    toning.
    A typical Uranium toner is Kodak T-9:

    Kodak T-9 Uranium Toner for Transparencies and Motion
    Picture Prints.

    Uranium (Uranyl) Nitrate 2.5 grams
    Potassium Oxalate 2.5 grams
    Potassium ferricyanide 1.0 gram
    Ammonium alum 6.0 grams
    Hydrochloric acid, 10% solution 5.0 ml
    Water to make 1.0 liter

    Dissolve chemicals in order given. The solution should be
    perfectly clear and light yellow in color.
    It is light sensitive and should be stored in the dark.
    The maximum effect is produced in about 10 minutes the tone
    passing throught brown to red in this time.
    There is likely a variation of this for prints but I was
    unable to find one.

    I don't know for certain about the permanence of Uranium
    toned film or prints but, in general toners of this type,
    such as Iron Blue toner or Copper toner, that use a
    ferricyanide bleach to replace the image silver with
    another metal, produce images which are less permenent than
    the original Silver image. They are not protectants as is
    sulfide or Selenium toner
    For all I know there may indeed be a way of toning with
    Plutonium:)
     
    Richard Knoppow, May 25, 2005
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  17. Matt Clara

    John Guest

    John, May 25, 2005
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  18. Matt Clara

    Matt Clara Guest

    "Richard Knoppow" <> wrote in message
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    >
    > Silver-gelatin seems to be a description invented by
    > gallery owners to distinguish "plain vanila" prints from
    > those made by more exotic methods like Platinum or Carbon.
    > Being a gallery term its slightly high-flown.
    > I think all the liquid emulsion sold is made by Kentmere
    > in England. Kentmere is a very old company who make some
    > very good papers and specialty products.


    Thanks Richard,
    Is this stuff applied in full darkness or is red safety light good to go?

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    Matt Clara, May 25, 2005
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  19. Matt Clara

    Peter Chant Guest

    John <> wrote:

    >
    > Looks like they could just use some PVA and same a lot of work.


    The process in the first link gives the impression that it diffuses priter
    ink into the glaze. The second is just moulding acrylic over the top of a
    photo. I wonder how they fair with age?

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    Peter Chant, May 25, 2005
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  20. "Matt Clara" <> wrote in message
    news:Uk0le.615795$...
    > "Richard Knoppow" <> wrote in
    > message
    > news:NQMke.5442$...
    >>
    >> Silver-gelatin seems to be a description invented by
    >> gallery owners to distinguish "plain vanila" prints from
    >> those made by more exotic methods like Platinum or
    >> Carbon.
    >> Being a gallery term its slightly high-flown.
    >> I think all the liquid emulsion sold is made by
    >> Kentmere
    >> in England. Kentmere is a very old company who make some
    >> very good papers and specialty products.

    >
    > Thanks Richard,
    > Is this stuff applied in full darkness or is red safety
    > light good to go?
    >
    > --
    > Regards,
    > Matt Clara
    > www.mattclara.com
    >

    See http://www.rockaloid.com/ for complete information.
    There are on-line instructions. Rockland makes or sells two
    types of emulsion, a plain one and a VC one. The plain one
    specifies an "amber" safelight (probably a Wratten OC) the
    VC a red safelight. The red light will be safe for both.
    These are both very slow emulsions. Surface prep and subbing
    are important. Some people have had problems with the
    emulsion coming off during development. I suspect Rockland
    can be helpful with specific applications.


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    Richard Knoppow
    Los Angeles, CA, USA
     
    Richard Knoppow, May 25, 2005
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