simple free cut/editor for video

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by mikedepetris, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. mikedepetris

    mikedepetris Guest

    What would you suggest for occasional editing needs under Windows-7, from time to time they pass me, or I download, a video of any possibile video format and I need to cut out some sequences. Last one was a 2GB flv HD video of a sporting events, I just have to cut out few minutes, maybe seconds, here and there, save in some files the result, keeping original quality, maybeupload pieces on social networks.

    I've read about virtualdub, videopad and of course use windows movie maker,but is there anything that keeps light and able to manage with video formats? WMM seems to lack formats compatibility, virtualdub the best but may becomplex for the task, what would you suggest?
     
    mikedepetris, Jul 1, 2012
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  2. Not free, but we have been talking about

    http://www.cyberlink.com/products/powerdirector/overview_en_US.html?&r=1

    and

    http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/moviestudiopp?keycode=64506

    which are said to be able to import many file types and export to many
    formats.

    Gary Eickmeier
     
    Gary Eickmeier, Jul 2, 2012
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  3. mikedepetris

    Brian Guest

    Some video converter allow you to do this. Can't remember the name of any
    off hand but searching using google shoulf find some.
     
    Brian, Jul 2, 2012
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  4. mikedepetris

    Steve King Guest

    What would you suggest for occasional editing needs under Windows-7, from
    time to time they pass me, or I download, a video of any possibile video
    format and I need to cut out some sequences. Last one was a 2GB flv HD video
    of a sporting events, I just have to cut out few minutes, maybe seconds,
    here and there, save in some files the result, keeping original quality,
    maybe upload pieces on social networks.

    I've read about virtualdub, videopad and of course use windows movie maker,
    but is there anything that keeps light and able to manage with video
    formats? WMM seems to lack formats compatibility, virtualdub the best but
    may be complex for the task, what would you suggest?>>>

    Several different video converters are essential tools for me most of which
    I've doiwnloaded for free. "Any Video Convertor" is a favorite. Usually,
    editing software does not accomodate every kind of file. Unfortunately,
    file conversion often results in some quality degradation; however, for your
    purposes not so much that it will make any difference IMO.

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Jul 2, 2012
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  5. so, given that I will have to use a converter, what would you suggest to use for some basic cut&paste, and which format to use for editing? For example would you raccomend .wmv and go on with WMM?
     
    Mike De Petris, Jul 2, 2012
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  6. mikedepetris

    HerHusband Guest

    Mike,
    I use VirtualDub for many tasks, but it is essentially limited to AVI
    files (using any Video for Windows codec). That makes it kind of useless
    for MPEG2, MPEG4, or WMV, some of the most common video formats. I use it
    with video I have converted to a lossless codec (Lagarith) for various
    filtering and processing tasks, but that's a lot of work for nothing if
    all you want to do is make cuts.

    Paid Software:

    For simple lossless cuts in MPEG2 files (without reencoding), I use
    VideoRedo Plus (www.videoredo.com). Their new TVSuite software supposedly
    handles MP4 material too, but I haven't tried it yet.

    For converting video between different formats I use two different
    programs:

    TMPGEnc Xpress 4 (which has been replaced with Video Mastering Works)
    http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tvmw5.html

    or

    PavTube Video Converter (http://www.pavtube.com/video_converter/)

    Each program works better in some situations than the other does, thus I
    use all three.

    Anthony Watson
    www.anthonywatson.us
    www.mountain-software.com
     
    HerHusband, Jul 3, 2012
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  7. I had two occasions to convert recently. One was an
    h264 flv which needed to be trimmed. The other was an mp4
    whose AC3 audio could not be played by a WDTV nor by a
    Sony 370 Blu-ray player.

    I was able to do both conversions with free software.

    The h264 flv was trimmed using the latest 2.6 beta avidemux,
    which initially didn't work, but in a couple of days was fixed
    by one of the authors for a Windows-related bug. Now that's
    service. According to some sources, 2.5.x and before
    would not work for this purpose.

    I tried the same for the second project, but converting the AC3
    to wav with faad2 resulted in a file that was 46 minutes
    compared to the original 42 minutes. Had it been 4 seconds
    off, that would have resulted in unacceptable lack of sync, but
    4 minutes ???? Doubtless, I omitted some faad2 command line
    option. Anyway, that was a fail, though not the fault of
    avidemux.

    I then tried VirtualDub, which initially did not recognize
    ..mp4. After some research, I located a VirtualDub plugin.
    It could then read the mp4, but not rewrite it, so I
    converted to xvid with lame sound. It worked perfectly.

    VirtualDub is kind of ideosyncratic, but once it is able to
    handle a situation, I'd say whoosh, it's the tool of choice.
    A professional tool, free. Although I've never met him, the
    author, Avery Lee, Phaeron, comes across as a likeable guy.
     
    Jonathan Berry, Jul 3, 2012
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  8. thank you very much

    at the moment I have to work with two big 2GB FLV HD videos, is there any software for simple cut&paste, VD plugins o do I really need to convert them first?
     
    Mike De Petris, Jul 3, 2012
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    HerHusband Guest

    at the moment I have to work with two big 2GB FLV HD videos, is there
    I don't work with FLV enough to know much about it. I always convert them
    to something more familiar when I encounter them (which is very rare).

    There are versions of VirtualDub that let you "load" MPEG2 video, but
    you're still limited to AVI when you save the file.

    Both of the paid converters I mention allow you to crop the beginning and
    end of the video, but as far as I know do not allow you to cut out sections
    in the middle.

    VideoRedo allows marking segments the same way VirtualDub does, but it's
    limited to MPEG2 video (or MPEG4 with the new TV suite).

    Anthony Watson
    www.anthonywatson.us
    www.mountain-software.com
     
    HerHusband, Jul 3, 2012
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  10. sounds good, thanks
    ....

    so we are getting to a point here!
    still in doubt about find a VD plugin use a converter for flv videos and which (lossless) format to use for cut and paste in this case.
     
    Mike De Petris, Jul 3, 2012
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    Frank Guest

    Mike, I hate to ask what might be a very dumb question, but are you
    absolutely certain that these are Adobe Flash Video (.flv) files?

    I ask because in my travels I've come across a number of files with
    ..flv (Flash Video) file extensions that were actually MPEG-4 (.mp4)
    files.

    Conversely, I've also come across a number of files with .mp4 file
    extensions that were actually Flash Video (.flv) files.

    Also, do you know which codecs (audio and video) were used to encode
    these files?

    MediaInfo Lite will give you this information if you don't already
    have it.

    http://www.codecguide.com/download_other.htm#mediainfo

    Good luck!
     
    Frank, Jul 3, 2012
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  12. Thank you for reporting your experience, I'm aware of the problem anyway, as it's always something to be checked when working with avi/wmv/mp4 as well as with csv/xls/xlsx -__-

    cutting the essential:

    Format : Flash Video
    File size : 1 017 MiB
    Duration : 5h 12mn
    Overall bit rate : 455 Kbps
    _audiocodecid : mp4a
    _videocodecid : avc1
    Video
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Codec ID : 7
    Audio
    Format : AAC
    Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
    Format profile : LC
    Codec ID : 10
     
    Mike De Petris, Jul 4, 2012
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    Frank Guest

    Mike, thanks for checking, and good to know that you're following good
    practices (by always knowing for certain what you're dealing with).

    So you've got some AVC/AAC-LC in an FLV wrapper - with an over five
    hour running time! Wow!

    Good luck.
     
    Frank, Jul 4, 2012
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  14. I don't get your humor, why do you think I asked for help about cutting out pieces of these beasts?
     
    Mike De Petris, Jul 4, 2012
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  15. My guess is that all he meant is that editing a five hour clip has
    significant challenges.
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Jul 4, 2012
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  16. and that's why I ask the simplest way to cut out few minutes here and there, leaving the big thing in place
     
    Mike De Petris, Jul 4, 2012
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    Frank Guest

    No humor was intended. I was merely (quite) surprised at the running
    time, it being much longer than I've ever encountered on an .flv file.
    Possibly because you weren't certain as to the proper approach to the
    problem?

    If you don't like what I post, then please killfile me.
     
    Frank, Jul 4, 2012
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  18. sorry I didn't want to offend, I used the wrong words

    beck to the subject, I started with the idea of finding a generic way to simply edit any possible video format, then it seems that it is better to usea solution suited to the video format, in this last case two big flv, and now I have to find the way to edit this peculiar case
     
    Mike De Petris, Jul 5, 2012
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    Brian Guest

    It looks like your looking for a fast one minute solution. In the days of
    film it was quick and easy to cut out what you did't want and join the two
    pieces of film together. But with digital video you need to render the
    video once you have removed parts of it and with a long video this could
    take a while. There maybe a way of rendering only the part that contains
    the cut and leave the rest unrendered but I'm not aware of this.
     
    Brian, Jul 5, 2012
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  20. let me explain it better: I only need to keep the few minutes I cut out, not the opposite, that I know is common for removing the spam

    I want to keep small video excerpts from the big one, even without concatenating them.
     
    Mike De Petris, Jul 5, 2012
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