Sizing an Image for an 8x10 Print with Border

I have some images of my group I want to have printed 8x10 inch with a 1/4"
border at a local printer.

I'm using CS. Best process I have come up with is to crop to 7.5x9.5" and
then increase the canvas size by .5" in each axis.

Is there a better way to have the image the right size to add the border? A
better way to add a border?

Thanks,

Dennis

 

I must have missed the part where you tell us how you are adding a border
to the image. Plus, also the part where you looked in the manual for the
print options, but could not figure them out so you came here.

Yes.

Try telling us the rest of the story. Since we do not know what, exactly,
you are doing beyond resizing the image, there isn't much anyone can do
for you except guess.

It is possible, for example, that you do not know what a "layer" is. It
is possible that you ae cropping the image to past in the border. Yikes.
There is no guessing what sorts of things that you are doing wrong - so
tell us.

The Doormouse

 

The Doormouse wrote:

The doormouse at her best!

I think I know what you want.
Create an empty file the 8x10 dimensions you want at the resolution your
lab specifies. Into this, paste your image. Set guidelines to be
whatever distance from the edge your boarder is intended to be and click
on "show bounding boxes". Click on a corner box then press the shift key
and move your mounse to resize the image to the guidelines.

You just better hope than that your lab prints the file and not resize
it so the whole picture fills the page! One way out of that problem is
to make lines at the edges of the 8x10 area. It means having a slightly
larger document but the image starts at the 8x10 boarder and you will
have the white area you seek.

Ryadia

 

Ryd doesn't *know for sure*, though, because she has to guess. That's why I
wanted more info.

The Doormouse

 

Dennis,

This will depend on your lab's capabilities, and what they need/want to work
from. Your method will work well, if they print your image as "full bleed" on
an 8x10 page, provided that their equipment will allow the printing to be
within 1/4" of the margin of the page. If their equipment needs more margin
for the print heads, you might be faced with having to have a larger print
made and then trimmed to 8x10. If that is the case (limitation of equipment
used by lab), you might go for an 8.5x11, and do the same as you have stated,
however, I'd do the layout asymetrically, if possible, so you'd only have to
trim two sides, not four. This would require your knowing if lab's printer had
asymetrical margins, say 3/8" left & bottom, and 1/4" right & top. Most
printers now, can do full-bleed, so your method should work with them.

The use of a Layer, Image>Transform, and guides, as stated, will also work in
that case.

Hunt

 

Talk to the print shop and ak them

It depends upon the sophistication of the equipment and experience of staff

It may be as simple as
select image
select print size
with border y/n

Above assumes an automated customer based print machine

If there are alternatives your print shop should ask

Once you have made the choice then ask them if the image should be in native
format eg as it came from the camera or if there are any options you can set
in PS.

In all likelihood they will probably be impressed you asked

It may be the case that you know more than the staff in the shop (sorta
depends upon the shop setup if u know what I mean)

Artie

ps - let's know how you get on.

FWIW - I had some 15" by 12" prints from my 2MP interpolated to 4 MP (yes,
it's a Fuji and I luv it) and left all the details to the printer drivers.
Quality of the print blew my socks off (if u see them send them back, my
feet are getting cold

Rather than take in 20 prints on the first visit do what the pro's do - do a
trial first, evaluate and then go in with the big print run. If the
commercial printer costs megabucks it probably has all the required tweaks
and twiddles preet anyway

A

 

Thanks to all for the help. As a newbie, I still need some clarification.

First of all, to answer Doormouse, I have a 3008 px by 2400 px jpg image
from my Nikon D70 that I shot of the Women in the Wind group at a local
motorcycle charity rally. That's the image I want to crop for an 8x10 inch
print (including a1/4" border) with 200+ ppi. I forgot to shift the camera
to RAW mode, but that's another story.

I'm using only the background layer for this image, unless that needs to
change. After I cropped the original 3008x2400 image to 7.5"x9.5" I had
2000x2533 pixels at 266.6 ppi.

Then I accessed the canvas size to add 1/2 inch to each dimension in order
to have the white 1/4" border around the image.

Good advice from Hunt & Artie about the liaison with the lab. As this is my
first shot at this, that makes terrific sense and will make my next foray a
bit easier, as I know what the lab wants and what their capabilities are.
Plus this will increase my education to see what is on the other side.

Now, here is where I need some more help. Ryadia suggested I start with a
new image, which I made, 8"x10" at 300 ppi. I then went to the jpg original
and did a copy and then paste into the new image. Worked fine, but now I
can't figure out how to access the guidelines or bounding boxes. I went to
the help file and bounding boxes had "image maps" which I also accessed in
help. There they write of "Image Map Visibility buttons" which I just can't
find in CS. Nor can I find the Edit > Preferences > Image Maps, which they
also mentioned.

So, how do I set the guidelines & access the bounding boxes. I'm sure I'll
feel a bit embarrassed when I find it is right under my nose, but maybe
that's the problem. :<)

Thanks again for the interest, help and patience this group shows to the
newbies. Just reading through the Qs & As is valuable learning.

Dennis

 

The bounding box selection is on the toolbar. After you paste an image,
click the arrow pointer tool and the bounding box selection will appear.

To get the guide lines, open view and tick rulers. Put your mouse over a
ruler and hold down the left button as you drag a guide line out.

If that doesn't work, use a different program or take some lessons in PS.

Ryadia

 

Ryadia,

That works great. Found the bounding box on the options menu for the move
tool and the guides under the view menu. Piece of cake once I got the lingo
down. The vocabulary can be the hardest part of learning a new skill. I'm
in a 3 hour course at the local college on Photoshop. We're using the Adobe
Classroom in a Book text, but obviously I haven't gotten to this part just
yet.

Thanks,

Dennis

 

[SNIP]

Dennis,

Does this mean that you were able to do all that you needed to do and are
satisfied with the results? If so, a good learning experience! As to the
lingo, I agree with your assessment. Though I've been in commercial
photography and the graphic arts for 30 years, and have used PS from v2, plus
PhotoStyler, finding the RIGHT words can be a chore. How does one use Help,
when you don't know what the developers called something? Experience will
certainly help, but even that is not a fail-safe. One of the great aspects of
this, and other Usenet groups, is that one can state their problem in their
own terms, and someone will usually be able to translate it into PS (or some
other program's) words.

Glad you got what you needed,
Hunt

 

Why not simply change the dpi of the original to 300dpi?
That makes absolutely no change in the image and yields 10x8 print.
Add an outside Stroke of 150pix for your white border.
Good luck! . . . . patrick

 

Hunt,

Yes to all. The good thing about this is learning new and different
approaches to achieve the same results. The bounding box is similar to
transform, but I didn't know it existed until this thread of messages.

Patrick also offered a new, to me, way to make the border. I suspect I will
be able to translate all these techniques to other uses besides making
borders in working with CS.

Thanks,

Dennis

 

Patrick,

Another good technique to make this happen. Thanks for the idea.

Regards,

Dennis

 

[SNIP]

One of the really nice things about PS, though daunting at times, is that you
can do many operations many different ways. Some days I just marvel at the
tips here, for operations that I've been doing for years one way, and lo,
there is an even less time intensive way to do it.

Hunt