Sizing an Image for an 8x10 Print with Border

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Dennis Hughes, Sep 27, 2004.

  1. I have some images of my group I want to have printed 8x10 inch with a 1/4"
    border at a local printer.

    I'm using CS. Best process I have come up with is to crop to 7.5x9.5" and
    then increase the canvas size by .5" in each axis.

    Is there a better way to have the image the right size to add the border? A
    better way to add a border?


    Dennis Hughes, Sep 27, 2004
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  2. I must have missed the part where you tell us how you are adding a border
    to the image. Plus, also the part where you looked in the manual for the
    print options, but could not figure them out so you came here.

    Try telling us the rest of the story. Since we do not know what, exactly,
    you are doing beyond resizing the image, there isn't much anyone can do
    for you except guess.

    It is possible, for example, that you do not know what a "layer" is. It
    is possible that you ae cropping the image to past in the border. Yikes.
    There is no guessing what sorts of things that you are doing wrong - so
    tell us.

    The Doormouse
    The Doormouse, Sep 27, 2004
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  3. Dennis Hughes

    Ryadia Guest

    The Doormouse wrote:

    The doormouse at her best!

    I think I know what you want.
    Create an empty file the 8x10 dimensions you want at the resolution your
    lab specifies. Into this, paste your image. Set guidelines to be
    whatever distance from the edge your boarder is intended to be and click
    on "show bounding boxes". Click on a corner box then press the shift key
    and move your mounse to resize the image to the guidelines.

    You just better hope than that your lab prints the file and not resize
    it so the whole picture fills the page! One way out of that problem is
    to make lines at the edges of the 8x10 area. It means having a slightly
    larger document but the image starts at the 8x10 boarder and you will
    have the white area you seek.

    Ryadia, Sep 27, 2004
  4. Ryd doesn't *know for sure*, though, because she has to guess. That's why I
    wanted more info.

    The Doormouse
    The Doormouse, Sep 27, 2004
  5. Dennis Hughes

    Hunt Guest


    This will depend on your lab's capabilities, and what they need/want to work
    from. Your method will work well, if they print your image as "full bleed" on
    an 8x10 page, provided that their equipment will allow the printing to be
    within 1/4" of the margin of the page. If their equipment needs more margin
    for the print heads, you might be faced with having to have a larger print
    made and then trimmed to 8x10. If that is the case (limitation of equipment
    used by lab), you might go for an 8.5x11, and do the same as you have stated,
    however, I'd do the layout asymetrically, if possible, so you'd only have to
    trim two sides, not four. This would require your knowing if lab's printer had
    asymetrical margins, say 3/8" left & bottom, and 1/4" right & top. Most
    printers now, can do full-bleed, so your method should work with them.

    The use of a Layer, Image>Transform, and guides, as stated, will also work in
    that case.

    Hunt, Sep 27, 2004
  6. Dennis Hughes

    Artie Guest

    Talk to the print shop and ak them

    It depends upon the sophistication of the equipment and experience of staff

    It may be as simple as
    select image
    select print size
    with border y/n

    Above assumes an automated customer based print machine

    If there are alternatives your print shop should ask

    Once you have made the choice then ask them if the image should be in native
    format eg as it came from the camera or if there are any options you can set
    in PS.

    In all likelihood they will probably be impressed you asked

    It may be the case that you know more than the staff in the shop (sorta
    depends upon the shop setup if u know what I mean)


    ps - let's know how you get on.

    FWIW - I had some 15" by 12" prints from my 2MP interpolated to 4 MP (yes,
    it's a Fuji and I luv it) and left all the details to the printer drivers.
    Quality of the print blew my socks off (if u see them send them back, my
    feet are getting cold :)

    Rather than take in 20 prints on the first visit do what the pro's do - do a
    trial first, evaluate and then go in with the big print run. If the
    commercial printer costs megabucks it probably has all the required tweaks
    and twiddles preet anyway

    Artie, Sep 27, 2004
  7. Thanks to all for the help. As a newbie, I still need some clarification.

    First of all, to answer Doormouse, I have a 3008 px by 2400 px jpg image
    from my Nikon D70 that I shot of the Women in the Wind group at a local
    motorcycle charity rally. That's the image I want to crop for an 8x10 inch
    print (including a1/4" border) with 200+ ppi. I forgot to shift the camera
    to RAW mode, but that's another story.

    I'm using only the background layer for this image, unless that needs to
    change. After I cropped the original 3008x2400 image to 7.5"x9.5" I had
    2000x2533 pixels at 266.6 ppi.

    Then I accessed the canvas size to add 1/2 inch to each dimension in order
    to have the white 1/4" border around the image.

    Good advice from Hunt & Artie about the liaison with the lab. As this is my
    first shot at this, that makes terrific sense and will make my next foray a
    bit easier, as I know what the lab wants and what their capabilities are.
    Plus this will increase my education to see what is on the other side.

    Now, here is where I need some more help. Ryadia suggested I start with a
    new image, which I made, 8"x10" at 300 ppi. I then went to the jpg original
    and did a copy and then paste into the new image. Worked fine, but now I
    can't figure out how to access the guidelines or bounding boxes. I went to
    the help file and bounding boxes had "image maps" which I also accessed in
    help. There they write of "Image Map Visibility buttons" which I just can't
    find in CS. Nor can I find the Edit > Preferences > Image Maps, which they
    also mentioned.

    So, how do I set the guidelines & access the bounding boxes. I'm sure I'll
    feel a bit embarrassed when I find it is right under my nose, but maybe
    that's the problem. :<)

    Thanks again for the interest, help and patience this group shows to the
    newbies. Just reading through the Qs & As is valuable learning.

    Dennis Hughes, Sep 28, 2004
  8. Dennis Hughes

    Ryadia Guest

    The bounding box selection is on the toolbar. After you paste an image,
    click the arrow pointer tool and the bounding box selection will appear.

    To get the guide lines, open view and tick rulers. Put your mouse over a
    ruler and hold down the left button as you drag a guide line out.

    If that doesn't work, use a different program or take some lessons in PS.

    Ryadia, Sep 28, 2004
  9. Ryadia,

    That works great. Found the bounding box on the options menu for the move
    tool and the guides under the view menu. Piece of cake once I got the lingo
    down. The vocabulary can be the hardest part of learning a new skill. I'm
    in a 3 hour course at the local college on Photoshop. We're using the Adobe
    Classroom in a Book text, but obviously I haven't gotten to this part just


    Dennis Hughes, Sep 28, 2004
  10. Dennis Hughes

    Hunt Guest



    Does this mean that you were able to do all that you needed to do and are
    satisfied with the results? If so, a good learning experience! As to the
    lingo, I agree with your assessment. Though I've been in commercial
    photography and the graphic arts for 30 years, and have used PS from v2, plus
    PhotoStyler, finding the RIGHT words can be a chore. How does one use Help,
    when you don't know what the developers called something? Experience will
    certainly help, but even that is not a fail-safe. One of the great aspects of
    this, and other Usenet groups, is that one can state their problem in their
    own terms, and someone will usually be able to translate it into PS (or some
    other program's) words.

    Glad you got what you needed,
    Hunt, Sep 28, 2004
  11. Dennis Hughes

    patrick Guest

    Why not simply change the dpi of the original to 300dpi?
    That makes absolutely no change in the image and yields 10x8 print.
    Add an outside Stroke of 150pix for your white border.
    Good luck! . . . . patrick
    patrick, Sep 28, 2004
  12. Hunt,

    Yes to all. The good thing about this is learning new and different
    approaches to achieve the same results. The bounding box is similar to
    transform, but I didn't know it existed until this thread of messages.

    Patrick also offered a new, to me, way to make the border. I suspect I will
    be able to translate all these techniques to other uses besides making
    borders in working with CS.



    Dennis Hughes, Sep 28, 2004
  13. Patrick,

    Another good technique to make this happen. Thanks for the idea.


    Dennis Hughes, Sep 28, 2004
  14. Dennis Hughes

    Hunt Guest


    One of the really nice things about PS, though daunting at times, is that you
    can do many operations many different ways. Some days I just marvel at the
    tips here, for operations that I've been doing for years one way, and lo,
    there is an even less time intensive way to do it.

    Hunt, Sep 29, 2004
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