Snapshots of Afghanistan - August 2009

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Kulvinder Singh Matharu, Aug 26, 2009.

  1. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Is that the best you have got?

    The Met police estimated the *march* at .75 million... everyone else
    said over a million. The police did not give a figure for the rally at
    the end of the march.... many went there direct and all estimated were
    over 2 million.

    However like most American Republicans you are arguing one minor point
    and ignoring things Bill says like

    Moving the dates of conflicts by a decade (or two)
    Getting conflicts in completely the wrong order... where the cause and
    effect is important

    Actually moving whole ethnic groups and conflicts by thousands of miles
    thus making his claims completely wrong and showing he has no idea of
    which groups are where, how they are interacting and in fact the whole
    general picture he gets is wrong....

    HE talked about destroying the *one* training cam in Afghanistan (they
    were multiple in Afghanistan and Pakistan and other places)

    Al-Qeada were NOT in Iraq and did not have training camps, and
    certainly not where he was suggesting I know I was in that region.


    Bill puts whole groups in the wrong place and on the wrong side.

    If you really want to know come over to uk.current-events.terrorisum
    where it has all be discussed in depth.... not that's right you won't
    because like most American Republicans you don't want to know the truth.
     
    Chris H, Sep 13, 2009
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  2. That kind of difference in demonstration numbers is not unusual in
    politically sensitive demonstrations in the UK. The more politically
    sensitive the demonstration the lower is the police estimate of
    numbers compared to other sources. The highest estimates of course
    come from the organisers. Don't you get the same kind of differences
    in reported numbers in the US?
     
    Chris Malcolm, Sep 13, 2009
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  3. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Miles Bader Guest

    Yes, it's very common.

    -Miles
     
    Miles Bader, Sep 13, 2009
  4. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Bob Larter Guest

    Exactly right, Tony. It's a shame that Faux News airs the rantings of so
    many nutbags.
     
    Bob Larter, Sep 13, 2009
  5. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Bob Larter Guest

    So declare war on Saudi Arabia & invade them - that's where the 9/11
    terrorists came from, & where they were funded from. If America did
    that, I'd cheer them on. Iraq did nothing to deserve being invaded.
     
    Bob Larter, Sep 13, 2009
  6. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Bob Larter Guest

    But you did. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. If you'd attacked the
    country that provided the terrorists & the finances for the attack, I'd
    agree that retaliation would be (at least somewhat) justified.
     
    Bob Larter, Sep 13, 2009
  7. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Bob Larter Guest

    You lost when the first car-bomb went off.
     
    Bob Larter, Sep 13, 2009
  8. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Bob Larter Guest

    Yeah, we Aussies are tough bastards. ;^)
    Hell, just talk to any Yank after s/he has spent a few weeks in another
    country.
     
    Bob Larter, Sep 13, 2009
  9. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Bob Larter Guest

    On the bright (?) side, the death camp photos proved that Hitler
    deserved to be destroyed, & completely justified the Nuremberg Trials.
     
    Bob Larter, Sep 13, 2009
  10. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Bob Larter Guest

    And yet Bush didn't get rid of that tax. I thought you said the Repugs
    didn't do things like that?
     
    Bob Larter, Sep 13, 2009
  11. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Bob Larter Guest

    Mostly by Bush, AFAICT. Know what Habeas Corpus is? (etc)
     
    Bob Larter, Sep 13, 2009
  12. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Bob Larter Guest

    There's considerable difference between caviar & (for example) a kidney.
     
    Bob Larter, Sep 13, 2009
  13. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Where "another country" != Canada or Mexico :)
     
    Chris H, Sep 13, 2009
  14. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Bob Larter Guest

    Ayup. On the rare occasions I've seen Fox 'News', it's seemed like a
    right-wing version of Pravda. If you want to see politically unbiased
    news, you could do worse than watch the BBC.
     
    Bob Larter, Sep 13, 2009
  15. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Rol_Lei Nut Guest

    Nice Post.

    But from a European perspective, The Netherlands has become almost
    unrecognizable in recent years due to an extreme conservative backlash
    (though the Dutch extreme conservatives are light years away from U.S.
    Radical Right Wing lunatics).

    Germany is now what The Netherlands was 15 or so years ago (sorry for
    any Dutch reading this) in tolertance, social system and so on...

    Even the Scandinavian model seems to be weakening in Denmark, though
    that is hopefully only temporary.

    Though as a U.S. citizen abroad, I have no desire *at all* to return to
    the "Mother Country" (and I have lived - 6 months or more - in 9
    different countries).
     
    Rol_Lei Nut, Sep 13, 2009
  16. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Yes... But training people against Sadda,
    I know I was there... However the camps were Kurdish and Iranian. That
    is why Saddam hit out at them.
    Hardly... One of the main aims of Al-Qeada was to remove Saddam. Then
    put a pro Iranian government in power. They could not do that but got
    the US to do it for them.
    As they were trying to remove him (and were pro Iranian) he never helped
    them. They were trying to kill him.
    Well most of the world is now not pro-America, or Pro-Isreal (who by the
    way have more war crime and human rights violations agaisnt them than
    any other country ).

    The Saudis are friends with most people despite having a regime similar
    to both Afghanistan and Iran. SO the US is more guilty hipocracy than
    most
     
    Chris H, Sep 13, 2009
  17. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    That is the view of most people
    The BBC tend to be very slightly left of centre. They have a social
    conscience.

    However they are about as unbiased as you will get a news agency. They
    have very strict rules on checking sources and not just repeating
    propaganda.

    They tend to get attacked as unbiased by people who don't like the
    truth. The UK government on occasion also the Israelis and the American
    right.
     
    Chris H, Sep 13, 2009
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    tony cooper Guest

    Of course it's not unusual and of course we have the same situation
    here. Here, like there, only fools believe the numbers provided by
    the organizers and the hard-line sympathizers. Chris is not doing
    much to shore up his credibility when he uses inflated figures.
     
    tony cooper, Sep 13, 2009
  19. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    tony cooper Guest

    Let's see your cite, Chris. You know, the link that shows that you
    are not pulling figures from your ass. A link, like you asked Bill to
    provide to back-up his statement.

    What's you've intimated above is that the Met down-played the numbers.
    Why would they do that? The demonstration cost the Met thousands, if
    not millions, of pounds in over-time pay, transportation costs to
    bring in personnel from out-lying areas, and costs to bring in gear
    for the personnel. Would they be likely to justify these massive
    expenditures by *under-estimating* the numbers?
    Let's see your cite, Chris. You know, the link that shows that you
    are not pulling figures from your ass. A link, like you asked Bill to
    provide to back-up his statement.

    "What has some local inter-party politics of a foreign country got to
    do with photography?" ChrisH - 13 September 2009
     
    tony cooper, Sep 13, 2009
  20. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    tony cooper Guest

    Sure. That's one of the objections to Fox News commentators...they
    misrepresent figures and facts in order to convince people that the
    position they espouse is something other than what is true and
    accurate. It's a familiar game.

    But, you have to ask yourself: Which are the reliable and credible
    sources? BBC and the Met, or these "other people"?

    "What has some local inter-party politics of a foreign country got to
    do with photography?" ChrisH - 13 September 2009
     
    tony cooper, Sep 13, 2009
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