Software rating

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Just D, Jul 11, 2004.

  1. Just D

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Do forgive me Malcolm, but *I* try to write for the reader(s) with less
    experience than you have.

    And there was me thinking that that was what this newsgroup was all

    But there again, your ego could not suppress the temptation to have
    another snipe.
    Tony Morgan, Jul 12, 2004
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    ...Jerry... Guest

    Opps. Forgot the word Fast - FAST Media (ex broadcast)
    ...Jerry..., Jul 12, 2004
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    I can only go by what I read. Obviously I have to bow to your great
    experience and knowledge of the product, and accept that it has no bugs.
    Tony Morgan, Jul 12, 2004
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Jerry has assured us that it has no bugs, so I'll have to disbelieve
    what I've read.
    Tony Morgan, Jul 12, 2004
  5. Actually it was a genuine question. Apart from a false start 5 and a bit
    years ago on which I got a refund I have owned only one NLE and zero
    experience on any others.
    You are paranoid Tony. So used to being attacked that you believe every
    enquiry is sniping. The only one who has done any sniping here is you.
    Malcolm Knight, Jul 12, 2004
  6. You are in a more than usually odd mood tonight.

    I suspect, and I think Jerry alludes to it too, that PLE 5.5 is overstressed
    by running on a wide variety of PC hardware. The system was originally
    designed to run on dedicated hardware and performed very well. London
    Weekend TV to name just one broadcast company used it for quite some while
    and they seemed to get their programmes out on time.

    Its later incarnations that still available on updated dedicated hardware
    probably run just as well. I don't know about the lowly Edition version. The
    Liquid interface is virtually identical to the very expensive versions but
    as I said, I have no real experience of it, and as you should know by now I
    don't either praise or condemn products which I do not use myself on a daily
    basis. I prefer to leave guesswork to others.
    Malcolm Knight, Jul 12, 2004
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    ...Jerry... Guest

    No, you write for your level whilst thinking that no body needs / wants / or
    has more knowledge that you have.
    No, this group was formed to discuss / help with issues around digital
    video, primarily video cameras and video editing. It is neither a group for
    the hobbyist or the professional [1] - the fact that you don't like the pro'
    and semi pro' people discussing high end equipment does not make it off
    topic or mistaken.

    [1] and I say that as one of the people who voted for the creation of the
    group and has been here more or less since day one.
    It is you who was having the snipe, probably because you feel that your ego
    has been questioned by your lack of knowledge. It's not that the information
    Malcolm referred to was a trade secrete, just looking at the sales blurb
    would tell you that LE has had a previous life in the pro world...
    ...Jerry..., Jul 12, 2004
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    In view of what's been said here, I suspect that reported problems are
    perhaps due to the quite modest system requirements as stated by
    Pinnacle. If you try to squeeze a quart into a pint pot you're bound to
    get leaks.
    Tony Morgan, Jul 12, 2004
  9. Until less than a year ago Pinnacle recommended a minimum Pentium III at 1
    GHz with 256MB of RAM and IDE discs. I was asked to review it for a trade
    magazine and tried it on a dual processor PIII with 1GB of RAM and SCSI 320
    MB/sec discs and it was absolutely hopeless. Too slow to be any use at all
    so I had to largely opt out of the review. My short published comment
    questioned the minimum spec.

    I was pleased to have Pinnacle agree with me and double the minimum spec. I
    now have it installed on a dual Xeon 3.2GHz machine with 2GB of RAM. One day
    I will find the time and raise the enthusiasm to try it.
    Malcolm Knight, Jul 13, 2004
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    Alf Guest

    No need to subscribe if you only wish to read the messages, it's open
    to all who wish to leatn of the problems with Pinnacle products...
    Alf, Jul 13, 2004
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    ...Jerry... Guest

    Another plank who thinks forums are there to be filled with "Great product,
    no problems, I'm just wasting my time posting to this forum stating what you
    already know" sort of comment.

    The only way you can judge a product is to either *understand* the product
    and use it yourself or have it demonstrated by someone who does.
    ...Jerry..., Jul 13, 2004
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Moment of truth. However if you cannot do that, then the only way to
    get a view on anything is to learn from the experience of others. In
    fact (about anything) ISTM to be good practice to moderate your own
    opinions by what others say.

    More years ago than I care to remember a mentor told me "you can't buy
    experience - but you can greatly benefit for other's experience - and
    it's free".
    Tony Morgan, Jul 13, 2004
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    ...Jerry... Guest

    But who are these people who are saying that the software is crap, that is
    the problem - you yourself have fallen into the trap, you said elsewhere in
    this thread that LE "more bugs than a hedgehog on a warm day" but you later
    had to admit that you have not used the product - only that you have seen
    some messages that say the product has bugs, who are these people who say
    the product has problems, how do we know they have read the manual - let
    alone bothered to learn how to use the product.
    ...Jerry..., Jul 13, 2004
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <>, ...Jerry... <>
    You don't have to be a brain surgeon to come to the conclusion that
    anyone posting about bugs in a particular item of software would be a
    user. And the responses (AFAIR) seemed to be acknowledging those
    criticisms, though sometimes offering work-arounds.

    Obviously though, since you are a user and claim that there are no bugs
    (and that you're pursuing the issue) I'll accept that there are no bugs
    - simply people who can't read the manual :)
    Tony Morgan, Jul 13, 2004
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    ...Jerry... Guest

    You know full well what I'm saying Tony, just as there are people who will
    slate any Microsoft product, whilst at the same time praising the likes of
    Linux or Mac etc., there are people who will slate a company / product in
    the NLE world. Couple that to the fact that there are people who refuse to
    'RTFM', even when they start having problems, preferring to post messages on
    forums and Usenet calling the product all sorts of names whilst explaining
    their problem only to be told that they are doing something wrong and they
    would have known that if only they had 'RTFM' - that has happened here on
    this group, I suspect you have posted replies in such vain !..
    ...Jerry..., Jul 13, 2004
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    News Reader Guest

    I am sure that edition has bugs, all software has bugs and lots of them too
    but having used the product alongside over NLE products (all PC based) I
    have to say I like it, it mostly does what it says on the tin and with a
    resonable PC its pretty damn quick too. My main gripe is the time it takes
    to build and burn a SVCD / DVD, it can take several hours (Today I created a
    32 minute SVCD took three hours to burn!). The background rendering is
    seriously useful and since the product scales with whatever hardware it is
    installed on I haven't minded putting in the time required to get to grips
    with it.

    If anyone is considering a NLE package and perhaps you haven't look at
    Edition, why not start with the online tutorials at
    these really provide a insight into what can be done with Edition and the
    ease with which it can be done.

    News Reader, Jul 14, 2004
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    Matej Artac Guest

    I know it's not fully on topic, but there's one piece of software I've been
    using (as I haven't acquired any of the more serious programs discussed
    further down this topic): Ahead's NeroVision Express 2. It has the basics of
    storyboard/timeline editing, it exports to AVI or MPEG, and it has some
    basic DVD authoring. I think it's pretty neat for a piece of software that
    actually comes with a CD burning program. Of course a more serious user will
    miss multiple track editing and more control over the audio channels.

    Matej Artac, Jul 15, 2004
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    As I keep on saying here, if it satisfies your particular needs then
    stick with it. You'll probably produce just as good movies as those who
    are using Premiere or Vegas. The only thing is that the "cheapies" often
    come with a codec not quite as good as that of the more expensive
    programs - but you may not even notice.

    I fail to see the virtue in spending money on something that you don't
    actually *need*, and though some enjoy playing around with the more
    exotic features that come with the more expensive programs, it's less
    than likely to make you a better movie-maker.

    It's a bit like a friend who keeps spending alarming amounts of money on
    "better" golf clubs - but his handicap is the same as it was two years
    ago with an old second-hand set of clubs :)
    Tony Morgan, Jul 16, 2004
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    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    If you feed chalk to a child whilst telling the child it's cheese, and if
    the child never finds out what cheese really is, that child could well go
    through life thinking chalk is cheese...
    :::Jerry::::, Jul 16, 2004
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