Some questions from a new video capture user who has done some research BEFORE posting here ...

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by pete pack, May 25, 2004.

  1. pete pack

    pete pack Guest


    This may be a long post but I need to get as much helpful information
    as I can before I do anything more.

    I know nothing about video editing but I was given the task to make a
    weekly video for our church that is going on public access tv. So I
    looked on the net and read product reviews but they really have messed
    me up.

    This is because the reviewers often say one thing is great (see
    anything by ZD) then when you read what the actual users post after,
    they all hate it. (Pinnacle for example.) I almost bought one before
    reading all of the negatives about it.

    So here are the facts of my situation ...

    When we shoot the video, we will have 2 small DV video cameras; one
    with an open mic and one with a wireless mic that goes into the
    camera. I plan on firewiring the content of each weekly sermon into
    the computer and then adding short edits here and there. IS this
    smart? And how hard is it? Remember, I am clueless adn want something
    pretty simple yet stable.

    We have an HP M260 n Mediacenter computer (2.6 mhz, 512 mg ram, 120 gb
    HD, windows xp). Inside it are these;

    - nvidia geforge mx 440 agp graphics card w/64 ddr video memory
    - windows movie maker
    - windvd 4.5
    - arcsoft showbiz dvd video editing software
    - sonic mydvd home video recording software

    Are these any good? Is showbiz even worth using or should I buy a
    better package? Same with mydvd?

    And if not, what should I do next? Should I take out the video and
    sound boards? If so, I will need to change them but don't want to
    spend too much money. What are good low end internal video boards?

    ATI all-in-wonder 9200 is one that seems ok.

    Or should I go with an external setup like:

    Pinnacle DV Movie Box
    Canopus Advc-100
    Pinnacle dv 500 plus breakout box

    I have heard bad things about each of these but could someone use
    these external hardware devices and then just use a different software

    And what about a good software program?

    Adobe Premiere 7.0
    Pinnacle Studio 8.0

    The pros and cons of each would be nice. I have done a lot of research
    but I am even more confused with all the advice NOT on this group.
    Everyone either likes or dislikes every major board or program out
    there and no one item has overwhelming positives on it. (maybe
    canopus) Hopefully, you will set me straight and what you all
    recommend, I will do. Even if it means installing a new video board or
    a new external box setup and all new software.

    So if you had my computer what would you do? What would you use? What
    would you take out and replace to make it good?


    pete pack, May 25, 2004
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  2. Terry,

    It seems to me that you should go for some pretty competent equipment as you
    will have to do multi-camera editing. This will take some time of learning
    and training before you can master editing and at the same time have control
    over maintaining synchronization between picture and audio.

    Software: My preferable editor is Canopus Edius and I am also used to Adobe
    Premiere Pro after working with Premiere from version 4.2. Windows XP is
    fine. Moviemaker in Windows is not enough for this.

    Hardware: I am not familiar with the PC you mention but you must definitely
    get one or two additonal harddiscs spinning at 7200rpm or more. 120Gb is a
    good size to go for. These discs should only be used for video data and for
    scratch files. All system-, program- and private data should preferably be
    kept on your main disc - the one you have now.
    Your RAM is a bit low and it is advisable to increase it to 512 or 1 Gb.
    This is good if you want to take advantage of the RT performance of Edius or
    Premiere Pro.

    I use a Canopus DV Storm2 myself which brings very good RT performance. The
    Canopus Advc 100 is a very good piece of equipment I have read and it also
    gives you access to the Canopus DV codec. If you go for Pinnacle 500 you
    will not be able to use Premiere Pro because Pinnacle has stopped updating
    the required plugins for Premiere after version 6.5. Otherwise both Pinnacle
    500 and DV Storm has both analog and digital in- and output. DV Storm has
    even DV out in RT.

    If you go for an IEEE1394 card you will not have a lot of RT in Edius and I
    am unsure how RT is in Premiere Pro.

    One thing you always have to check is whether your PC motherboard and its
    chipset is compatible with your capture card. You can get this information
    from the usergroups or the vendorĀ“s homepage. This is very important!

    If you want to put your final video on DVD you are in for another learning
    time before you can manage that but I guess that is a later story.

    Finally - any editor you choose capable of what I expect you want to do has
    a fairly steep learning curve but once you are familiar with it you can
    produce very good professional like video.

    Good luck!

    Peter O Sjostrand, May 25, 2004
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  3. pete pack

    Ken Maltby Guest

    If it were me I would start with whatever requirements the TV studio
    has for audio & video format and media. Then work backwards from
    there. It is likely that they can work with a large range of input, but are
    setup and most comfortable with only a few.

    Ken Maltby, May 25, 2004
  4. pete pack

    Rich Guest


    My comments on your post, which was not really too long, seems like you have
    done some homework:

    "product reviews" - A wealth of information of all types if you haven't
    already discovered these sites:

    "windows movie maker" - It's already on your system, play with it. I was
    impressed. You may not use it for your final products, but it can't be beat
    for cost and ability to create simple videos.

    "Should I take out the video and sound boards?" - No. Not unless you really
    have to for an absolute known problem or absolute necessity. Save your
    money and reduce you chances of creating more problems. You have too many
    things to work on as it is. My two systems have NVIDIA video cards.

    "Pinnacle DV Movie Box" "Canopus Advc-100" "Pinnacle dv 500 plus breakout
    box" - Unless things change drastically, I would and will eventually go

    "Everyone either likes or dislikes every" - Yep. My theory: If I can
    complete my project in Movie Maker which is free and cannot get Adobe
    Premiere or Pinnacle Studio to run on my system, then Movie Maker is the
    best. Also perhaps the products which sell 10 times as many products might
    also have 10 times as many complaints.

    "what would you do?" - I would start slow. You didn't mention how long
    these taping sessions will be and how long the finished product will be. My
    first digital video project at home was a slide presentation. It was an
    experiment of what my home system could do. The 1 minute and 27 second
    final product took me about 14 hours. I have had access to professional
    equipment at work to just play with. You will encounter some obstacles in
    your quest.

    Good luck!

    Rich, May 25, 2004
  5. pete pack

    pete pack Guest

    If it were me I would start with whatever requirements the TV studio



    great advice.

    the tv studio is a public access and they take dvd, dv tape, hi 8,
    svhs, the works.

    but i think we are going to just burn the final copy onto a DVD+r and
    store it.

    and if you have any other advice about the software I would really
    appreciate it.

    that is where I want to have the most info as there are many different
    opinions on them.

    pete pack, May 25, 2004
  6. (pete pack) wrote in message
    The video card is sufficient for playback.
    Windows Movie Maker is somewhat limited. Adobe Premiere is one of the
    best applications for video editing, but also expensive.
    WinDVD is just a DVD player, it doesn't capture video.
    I cannot say if Arcsoft Showbiz or Sonic MyDVD are OK, I have not used
    them. I have used Ulead DVD Movie Factory 2.0, which is pretty good.
    I have also heard a lot of good things about other Ulead products,
    I am not sure about the latest ATI all-in-wonder card, but some of
    those cards have problems with lagging sound and choppy video. I can
    say for sure that the Canopus ADVC-100 or ADVC-50 are excellent for
    capturing video. I have the ADVC-50 and it is flawless every time with
    excellent quality. It will capture video and sound, and sends through
    to a firewire card. You will still need software to handle the
    capturing to file.
    I can say for sure that a setup with the Canopus ADVC-50 and Premiere
    6.5 works flawlessly. I'm sure there are other combinations that
    others can provide, too.
    Chris Szilagyi, May 25, 2004
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