Some shots from the "Warbirds Over Paso" show

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Savageduck, Oct 6, 2013.

  1. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    I spent a few hours at the Paso Robles airport today and took 1008
    shots at the air show. Now I have to comb through them for keepers,
    fixers, and rejects.
    Anyway here are two quick selections, a P-51D & an F4U.
    < https://db.tt/Pix6ZtfR >
    < https://db.tt/FS87i8zl >
     
    Savageduck, Oct 6, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest


    I envy you your weather.
     
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Nice. Could be nicer if you could shoot (esp the 51D) from sunside.


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    gordo Guest

    Mmmm Mmmm! I do love p-51s.

    Gordo

    "Savageduck" wrote in message

    I spent a few hours at the Paso Robles airport today and took 1008
    shots at the air show. Now I have to comb through them for keepers,
    fixers, and rejects.
    Anyway here are two quick selections, a P-51D & an F4U.
    < https://db.tt/Pix6ZtfR >
    < https://db.tt/FS87i8zl >
     
    gordo, Oct 6, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Thanks.
    The problem with shooting the low, left-to right passes at Paso Robles
    at that time of day, is panning to the South-East into the Sun.
     
    Savageduck, Oct 6, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    FYI, the 51D is not location tagged, but the hosenose is.

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    Alan Browne, Oct 6, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    Nicely done. The F4 looks like it was shot towards sunset.
     
    PeterN, Oct 6, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    If you check, you should find that fixed.
     
    Savageduck, Oct 6, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I just wanted to see where you were shooting from. Had I opened the
    hosenose first I wouldn't have picked up on it.

    Time in the 51D file is 13:20 - is that the local time you made the shot?


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    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
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    Alan Browne, Oct 6, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    On 2013.10.06 00:25 , Savageduck wrote:
    : > I spent a few hours at the Paso Robles airport today and took 1008 shots
    : > at the air show. Now I have to comb through them for keepers, fixers,
    : > and rejects.
    : > Anyway here are two quick selections, a P-51D & an F4U.
    : > < https://db.tt/Pix6ZtfR >
    : > < https://db.tt/FS87i8zl >
    :
    : Nice. Could be nicer if you could shoot (esp the 51D) from sunside.

    Actually, I wonder. As shot, the pictures are commendably free of glare. From
    the sun side, maybe they wouldn't be.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Oct 6, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    As shot - esp. the 51D, the side of the airplane towards the camera is
    in shadow which makes it bluish and robs the colours.

    Shadowside
    http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/p51shows/reno2005/home/RN5_51.6593.jpg

    Sunside
    http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/p51shows/reno2005/home/RN5_7081.jpg
    http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/p51shows/reno2005/home/RN5_6658.jpg

    Sunside always looks better.

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    illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
    which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
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    Alan Browne, Oct 6, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    That's about right for PDT. I got there about 10:00 and was shooting
    until about 14:00.
     
    Savageduck, Oct 6, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Those last two shouldn't have been IDed as P-51s when they are in fact
    "Hawker Sea Furies".
    < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sea_Fury >
     
    Savageduck, Oct 6, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    The best part of shooting from the Sun side is having a well lit
    subject, and not being subject to the glare and flare of shooting into
    the Sun. As it was with any plane making a low, left-to-right fast
    pass, you lose about 30-40 degrees of panning space as it flies into
    the Sun at the Southern end of the runway.
     
    Savageduck, Oct 6, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I know they're not P-51's but his site is "Mustangs" so that's how he
    files the airshow - under 'stangs. Sloppy - he should at least caption
    the shots (he's got more shots of not P-51's than P-51's in that set).


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    to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
    -Unknown
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 6, 2013
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    Mort Guest


    Hi,

    Very nice pictures indeed, especially considering that you have no
    control over the position of the 2 aircraft.

    It is interesting that the 2 outstanding W.W. II U.S. fighter planes
    were both designed by private airplane companies,and not by Air Force
    personnel. The P-51s were able to accompany the B-17 and B-24 bombers,
    and helped to reduce the previous large losses sustained by the bombers
    that had flown with no fighter plane cover.

    It is also interesting that, when the war ended in the Pacific Theater,
    many crated P-51s were thrown overboard from our ships, under orders, as
    it was considered too costly and difficult to ship them back to the USA.

    Mort Linder
     
    Mort, Oct 14, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Actually all of the US WWII fighters were designed by private U.S.
    aircraft companies, North American, Lockheed, Republic, Curtiss, Chance
    Voight, & Grumman.

    ....and the highest U.S. scores were held by the P-47 in Europe and the
    P-38 in the Pacific. Among the U.S. fighters there were 4 truly
    outstanding fighters, the P-47D Thunderbolt, the P-38J/L Lightning, The
    F4U Corsair, the P-51D Mustang, and the F6F Hellcat.
    The 8th AF was engaged in a political war, with the War Dept. & the
    aircraft manufacturers and in the face of evidence that both the P-38 &
    P-47 had the range for Berlin raids, they only permitted escort for the
    initial outward bound legs of the daylight missions. The myth was the
    P-51 was the first U.S. fighter to conduct escorts on Berlin raids, it
    was actually the P-38. In 1943 & 1944 the P-38Ls were flying the
    longerst fighter escort missions of the war in the SW Pacific and
    easily had the range for the deep European raids. Especially after
    Lindbergh's tour to train P-38 & F4U squadrons on optimizing range. In
    Europe the 8th AF stopped the P-38 escorts after poor performance in
    North Africa with the result that on final attack legs in 1943, 8AF
    bombers were unescorted until the P-51's came on scene in late 1943/44.
    Not only P-51's, all of them. Many late production P-51Ds made it back
    to the mainland and were used into the Korean War era, as were F4Us.
    P-38s, P-40s, and many others were not so fortunate. Many were
    destroyed in the Philippines, Okinawa, and Japan.

    Even at the height of the Pacific War October 1944, fighter production
    was at such a high level that planes which needed more than 1-2 hours
    to repair were scrapped. My father was at Tacloban on Leyte where any
    planes meeting that criteria were bulldozed off the end of the metal
    landing strips to make room for fresh planes being ferried in.

    Here is my father's squadron (9th FS, 49th FG) at Biak Island in 1944.
    < https://db.tt/FnlPOj1D >
    in his P-38L at Gusap, New Guinea in 1944.
    < https://db.tt/uHYaWaFm >
    ....and in his P-47D at Dobodura, New Guinea in 1943.
    < https://db.tt/17ViYIJ7 >

    At the end of the War when my father got back to the U.S. they were
    offered surplus P-38Ls for $1600, and P-51D's for $2400. That included
    a crate of parts and fuel to get the plane off USAAF property at Luke
    Field, AZ.
     
    Savageduck, Oct 14, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Why is that "interesting"? What aircraft that the US military has used
    was ever designed by military personnel?
     
    J. Clarke, Oct 15, 2013
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