Some Warbirds

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Savageduck, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    I've been using one for years. Seriously, I never heard of it referred
    to as a CPF.
    PeterN, Oct 2, 2012
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    gordo Guest

    gordo, Oct 2, 2012
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    philo Guest


    After doing a lot of looking around at aircraft, my feeling it that what
    I saw must have been a P-38 . Not a flying wing but close enough to have
    tricked my old memories that are probably not quite so good as I thought.

    Does anyone think the P-38 is what I must have seen???
    philo, Oct 2, 2012
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    Frank S Guest

    Doubtful. They are dissimilar enough that what you saw was probably what
    you first thought you saw.

    My contributions to the Photo Opportunity and War Birds threads:

    During or just after WWII my uncle came from Utah to view properties he
    had bought some years earlier. We all piled in his car and he drove from
    South Central Los Angeles, where we lived, to various suburbs of L.A.,
    principally in the San Fernando Valley (popular song of the time:
    "Sentimental Journey"). There were one or two pieces of land in the
    Palmdale area. As we went past an airfield next to the highway on the
    way to - maybe - Rosamond, I spotted a parking lot full of Mosquitos. I
    was very excited, having learned the profiles and designations of every
    aircraft in the pack of rehearsal cards my Navy-officer father brought
    home to study. Everyone was amazed that an eight-or-nine-year-ld could
    identify the more-than-a-hundred olive-drab airplanes. They were
    somewhere in the neighborhood of today's Edwards Air Force Base. No idea
    what it was called in those days.

    A few years later we were living in Torrance, California, just south of
    Hawthorne, home of Northrop and site of "flying wing' manufacture and
    development. The weird 'planes were seen in the air from time to time.
    One time we were traveling north on Hawthorne Boulevard when there was a
    big dust-up a few blocks ahead, and traffic stopped. One of the wings
    had failed to stop at the end of the runway, and skidded across the
    street, trailing cyclone fence and blast-diverter debris. As I remember
    it, no one was hurt, but the wings stopped flying from that field.

    Back to WWII: Dad was in the Navy, we lived in South Central L.A. (two
    blocks from ground zero of the King riots, many years later). Hot summer
    days Mom would pick a beach and drive us there for some sea breeze and
    beach play. One time it was Santa Monica beach, under the LAX flight
    take-off path, very near the P-38 manufactory. So, the
    eight-or-nine-year-old was happily burying his three-or-four-year-old
    brother when he looked south down the beach and saw an airplane headed
    his way. Excitement! Heard the scream of the P-38's engines. Fear!
    Recognized that the damn' thing was fifteen or forty feet above the
    beach! Action: Began digging a foxhole for himself, frantically and
    sincerely wanting to be way down when the shrieking winged monster
    arrived. It did, and went on up the coast, flattening beach-goers like
    wind on wheat fields. It was followed very closely by another. I loved
    it. Woo hoo!

    1956, now. I'm in the USAF, learning to live in a barracks upstairs from
    the Reconnaissance Technical Squadron's business site. One evening the
    First Sergeant (did anyone else call the First Sergeant "First Shirt"?)
    dropped by to chat with the new guys. He said he had spent some of his
    military time in Southern California. He'd been a "Flying Sergeant"
    during WWII. One of his assignments was to pick up P-38s at Los Angeles
    and ferry them to the east coast where they were passed off to real
    pilots who took them to Europe. Hm, says I. I had experience with a P-38
    during WWII, and explained what had happened at the beach. He was
    delighted. Guffaw followed guffaw. Yes, he said, we used to enjoy doing
    that. The pilots would trade places in line, since the first one didn't
    get to see much of an effect, but the second and subsequent would take
    great pleasure in watching the vertical beach-goers suddenly become
    horizontal fugitives.

    The end.
    Frank S, Oct 3, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    I seriously doubt that you saw Mosquitos anywhere in California. In
    North America Mosquitos were built in Canada an d ferries across the
    Atlantic to Britain. There was never a reason for them to be in
    California. I suspect that what you saw were the P-38s in production at
    the Lockheed plant in Burbank.
    Muroc AFB.
    The Northrop plant was at Ontario, and all subsequent testing of the
    flying wing program was moved to Muroc in 1941. The last of the "Flying
    Wings" the YRB-49A was moved from Edwards to the Northrop facility in
    December 1951 when the program was cancelled and never flew again. It
    was scrapped in 1953.
    As I mentioned, the Lockheed Burbank plant was where the P-38's (10,000
    of them) were built, and that is not exactly on the LAX flight path.
    Nice. My father flew P47's and P-38s in New Guinea, to Leyte, Okinawa,
    was a member of the P-38 escort for the "Surrender Betties", and was in
    the first tactical squadron to land in Japan. that was the 9th FS of
    the 49th Fighter Group.
    < >
    Savageduck, Oct 3, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    BTW: I have no doubt that you experienced P-38's making a low pass
    along the beaches of the L.A. coast.
    Savageduck, Oct 3, 2012
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    philo Guest

    <snipped for brevity>

    Even though my childhood memories are good...I am hardly infallible. It
    was such a long time ago that I very well could have been wrong. The
    P-38 was an unusual enough plane that it is likely it stuck in my mind.

    FWIW: When I was in the army I was in air defense artillery and was
    drilled weekly on air craft recognition. I was not particularly good at
    it but am pretty sure I was good enough to know a Soviet from an
    American plane.
    philo, Oct 4, 2012
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 10/1/2012 12:50 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    : > For those who might be interested in Warbirds, here are a few of my
    : > Saturday captures.
    : > <
    : > Over Paso/Warbirds Over Paso
    : >
    : >>
    : > or
    : > < >
    : >
    : >
    : Interesting series. What did you take them from?
    : It is unusual to see blue sky when shooting from the top, unless they
    : were PhotoShopped.

    Or the plane is upside down.

    Duck, are you listening? The woman who's leading the Photowalk I signed up for
    tomorrow apparently specializes in photographing military aircraft. I'll ask
    her if she knows you!

    Robert Coe, Oct 12, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    A valid speciality. However, the only way she might know of me, or have
    seen any of my aviation shots would have been via the usual
    photo-groups, or if she lurks around, or
    perhaps at G+ where I don't use "Savageduck".

    I haven't signed up for a "Photowalk", so I will probably take a solo
    stroll in San Luis Obispo, or some other local downtown locale.
    Savageduck, Oct 13, 2012
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