Some Weegee to ponder

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Savageduck, Jan 27, 2012.

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    Savageduck Guest

    Savageduck, Jan 27, 2012
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    dadiOH Guest

    To me, "Weegee" and "photography" are mutually exclusive.



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    Savageduck Guest

    His work is simplistic enough, and is created with a unique style. His
    work might not be to your taste, but it is photography. All he is doing
    is capturing a moment in time, and using that as a test it is basic
    functional photography. Not great art, but pure photo-journalism, just
    images that one man captured.
    Savageduck, Jan 27, 2012
  4. You must be using some bizarre (and extremely idiosyncratic) definition
    of "photography" -- like maybe "photographic art you approve of"? It
    seems pretty inarguable that he used photographic imaging.
    David Dyer-Bennet, Jan 27, 2012
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    Irwell Guest

    I like the picture with all the hats, different ways of
    pinching them to get another style, also the Sgt. in the
    'Hold up man killed' seems to have elegant shoes for a
    Irwell, Jan 27, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    PeterN, Jan 28, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Meaning you have no idea what photography is.
    Alan Browne, Jan 28, 2012
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    dadiOH Guest

    Oh, please. I wasn't going to bother defending my opinion - it *is* an
    opinion - but having run more film through cameras ranging from
    sub-miniature to 9x18...having photographed everything from microscopic
    critters to aircraft carriers...having made portraits of all sorts of people
    from paupers to (literally) princes and princesses I have a fairly good idea
    of what photography is.

    Would you have been happier had I said, "To me, Weegee and *photographer*
    are mutually exclusive"? Again, it is an opinion but I consider a
    photographer to be someone who is able to go beyond using a
    Speed/Crown/Busch Graphic camera, pre-focused at 10 feet, with a constant
    exposure of 1/200 at f-16 and (probably) a Press 40 flashbulb. That was Mr.
    Fellig's modus operandi.

    Now, I'm not knocking his pictures; they are what they are. And what they
    are is basic pictures of generally sensational subjects. Nor am I knocking
    Mr. Fellig: he was good at what he did which was mainly getting somewhere in
    time to get saleable photos - also at promoting himself - but I doubt even
    he thought of himself as a great photographer.

    What galls me are people who elevate someone after the fact to iconic
    status. That is usually done by people hoping to profit from that enhanced
    status. Consider Vincent van Gogh...never sold a painting while alive, now
    they go for more than 100 million. Why? Same paintings, same artist...just
    as good when he painted it as when sold for the big bucks. The "why" is

    Another example: Dali. Most people think of the "melting watch" painting
    when they think of him but he was an excellent painter of realism too; a
    wonderful draughtsman. As an aside, if any of you ever have an opportunity
    to go through the Dali Museum in St. Peterburg, FL, do it. I have no idea
    how well he did in his earlier years but he did very well in later years. I
    was acquainted with a gallery owner who made millions selling lithographs of
    Dali's stuff; note that these were offset lithographs, not stone. Hot off
    the printing press. Mostly, he peddled "Lincoln in Dali Vision" and not on
    whatever merits that work may have but as an "investment" to people who were
    greedy but who had no concept of good and bad; people who bought the story.
    Again, perception.

    Getting back to Weegee's technique or - more properly - lack of it, most
    news photographers in those days used similar equipment. Some used it much
    better than others; A. Aubrey Bodine for one.

    I stand by my opinion: to me, Weegee is to either "photographer" or
    "photography" as a three dot columnist is to a Pulitzer prize winning



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    Paul Furman Guest

    Van Gogh doesn't deserve the fame he has now?

    Very romantic, painterly images. Weegie worked on gritty urban scenes,
    and imo had a good eye for capturing humanity, on the level he worked
    at. I wouldn't hire him to portray the entire human race to aliens on a
    space ship time capsule but I would certainly include his work in that
    Paul Furman, Feb 6, 2012
  10. So "dadiOH" and "photography" are also mutually exclusive?

    Would "dadiOH and *photographer*" also be mutually exclusive?

    So you're saying to make photography or be a photographer it
    doesn't matter if you get results, even valuable results, it
    matters that you change the settings of your camera?


    So the business of a full time photographer --- who lives by
    his work --- is not to get saleable photos, but use all sorts
    of cameras and photograph everything (jack of all trades and
    cameras, yet master of none)?

    And Babbage developed the fully programmable computer (the
    analytical engine) 100 years before we had such things.
    Nearly nobody valued the idea, because they didn't understand.

    Bletchley Park was secret --- nobody valued it.

    Everyone important should have known how important Turing
    was, yet look how they treated him. Today they know.

    The CSS Hunley is only now appreciated as the advanced and
    elegant machine that it was. How long did it take to
    duplicate her feat?

    Different sujet.
    The Pulitzer prize winning journalist may make a great story about
    how JFK died ... but he won't be the one on breaking the news.

    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Feb 6, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    When you have little to defend, that's a wise choice - that you had
    stuck to it...
    Alan Browne, Feb 7, 2012
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