Someone else post a film thread.

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Scott W, Sep 7, 2008.

  1. Scott W

    Bruce Guest


    My local Costco minilab does over 30% of its D&P turnover in film. My
    local Wal-Mart minilab estimates it is around 40%.

    So film is a long way from being dead.
     
    Bruce, Sep 15, 2008
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    Scott W Guest

    I use my cameras a lot, the shutter only has so many clicks on it.

    I have 73,489 clicks on the 350D, I will be lucky if it goes much past
    100,000 time will tell, it could die tomorrow.

    I Don't know what I will get to replace it, maybe another 350D, they
    are pretty cheap at $410, or I might pickup a 5D once the 5D Mark II
    comes out and drives the price of the 5D down, or I might get the 5D
    Mark II, I will see when the time comes.

    It really does not seem to make sense to have the shutter replaced at
    a cost of $160-180, that is almost half the cost of a new camera.

    The only shutter I have had go bad so far was on an older Canon film
    SLR, we got a whole lot of photos with only one half exposed.

    In the end the cost of a new body every few years is pretty cheap, a
    new boat every few years gets to be much more money.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Sep 16, 2008
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : Robert Coe wrote,on my timestamp of 15/09/2008 11:09 AM:
    : > It's over, David. Time to move on. You know those guys who drive antique
    : > cars in Fourth of July parades? You're their photographic equivalent.
    : > But even they drive real cars the other 364 days of the year.
    :
    : Funny enough, with all the "it's over" and
    : other utter crap, there are thousands of film
    : photos being posted daily in flickr and other
    : sites where film users are not ridiculed by
    : morons who should concentrate more on real
    : photography and less on how it is taken.
    :
    : Oh, and BTW: Kodak just released yet another
    : new 35mm film. Not bad for a "dead" medium,
    : isn't it? Then again: the only ones calling
    : it "dead" are those running around with their
    : hands over their ears yelling "la-la-la-la!"...

    You tell 'em, Noons. As for this moron, I'll stand by my previous statement.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Sep 16, 2008
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    Ken Hart1 Guest

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    The only shutter I have had go bad so far was on an older Canon film
    SLR, we got a whole lot of photos with only one half exposed.

    ----------------------------------------------

    Please don't be offended if I state what may be obvious to you, but by any
    chance could this have been pictures taken with a strobe and the shutter
    speed set too high? As some may know (and some may not know), with a focal
    plane shutter and strobe, the fastest shutter speed that can be used is one
    where both shutter curtains are fully open. At faster shutter speeds, the
    first curtain starts to open and the second curtain starts to close shortly
    after-- at no time is the entire frame exposed.
    On some of my older SLR's, the "X" sync speed (typically 1/50 second for a
    horizontal shutter) has gotten faster or out of sync, and I have to drop
    down to 1/30 second for flash.
     
    Ken Hart1, Sep 16, 2008
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    Scott W Guest

    Not offended at all, no they were mostly out side photos taken on a
    vacation. It was my wife doing the shooting, and of course there was
    no way to know things were not working well untill we saw the film.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Sep 16, 2008
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    Noons Guest

    Scott W wrote,on my timestamp of 16/09/2008 6:58 AM:

    Sure, no problem. Let's leave it at discussion of
    digital or discussion of film, where appropriate.
    To try and deride one over the other, I'm afraid
    doesn't score much as "discussion"...

    Cool! Thanks a lot, an invaluable resource.
    I use this one a lot in flickr, for MF:
    http://www.flickr.com/groups/120/pool/
    Not as well split by film type, but huge
    amount to go through.



    See? That's what you get for living in a backwater...
    (just kiding!)

    Two generations from now, it'll be very near.
    If 35mm dslrs survive that long in their current
    format:
    http://www.bythom.com/
    read the bit about "other developments"...
    This is along the lines of what I see as well.

    I reckon in the medium term, aps-c dslrs as we know
    them will mostly vanish, replaced by much more convenient
    EVIL cams. The ones left will be the top of the line
    "pro" FX dslr gear. With rez approaching MF. Which
    will then be more convenient than existing MF film, of
    course.

    The *real* trend imho is for miniaturization,
    with weight a major consideration. In the consumer
    volume market. Of course there will always be
    enthusiasts prepared to haul around a cartwheel
    of equipment. And guess what? 4X5 as well!
    :)

    If FX takes off to 25-35MP, you and I *will*
    need new lenses all over again...
    Fortunately, I'm perfectly happy with
    16MP tops: don't need anymore even if available.
     
    Noons, Sep 16, 2008
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    SMS Guest

    Well the charter doesn't say that it's a film group, and that should be
    the end of it.

    But okay, here's some film stuff. I took my old Olympus XA up to
    Yosemite a few weeks ago and got the prints back and they were awesome.

    I had almost forgotten how much of a pain in the butt it was to focus
    the XA, and I really missed having a zoom lens. OTOH, it was nice to not
    have to worry about batteries and chargers. It was a last minute
    decision and the only film I could buy without buying four rolls was
    some Fuji 200 ASA, which wasn't really my first choice. I didn't bring
    the A16 flash with me. I dropped the camera in 1987 in China and broke
    the A11 flash (lucky the flash hit the ground first), and was fortunate
    to be able to still find an A16 flash for sale in San Francisco.

    Now I'm tempted to use my Canon EOS-5QD again.
     
    SMS, Sep 16, 2008
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    Ken Hart1 Guest

    In the studio, the cameras I use are all mechanical- no battery required.
    Once you get familiar with such cameras, you can hear and feel that it's
    working properly. When I'm shooting for myself, my camera of choice is a
    forty year major brand mechanical camera with a wide selection of lenses.
    When you get familiar with a mechanical camera, you can usually hear and
    feel when it's not functioning properly.

    From a distance, you can't tell that my camera and lens is 40 years old, and
    from close-up, most people I've asked guess about 20 years old. Those people
    are generally also impressed with the weight and feel of the camera.
     
    Ken Hart1, Sep 17, 2008
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    Scott W Guest

    How many photos do you figure you have taken with that camera?

    To really get a good analogy it is as if new cars started to get 1,000
    miles/gal, but some people just loved the feel of driving an older car
    that gets 20/mile. Now don't get me wrong, if your camera is more for
    show then use then it really does not matter that you have to pay for
    film and processing. If on the other hand you really use your cameras
    then that film processing starts to get very expensive indeed.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Sep 17, 2008
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    Scott W Guest

    More like 3-4 years, which is I believe what I said, but feel free to
    change my words.
    Again, you might wish to read my words with just a bit more care, the
    camera has around 74,000 clicks on it, but the camera is 2.5 years
    old. I take about 30,000 photos a year, does this seem like a lot to
    you?

    On a two week assinment a National Geographic photographer would go
    through 200-300 rolls of film.

    "your first 10,000 photographs are your worst" Henri Cartier-Bresson.
    Are you through your worst yet, or still working on them? Actually
    what Henri said was nonsense but I do love the quote. Still over time
    I keep learning, and shooting is, for me, a great way to lean. I
    believe that I am a much better photographer now then I was 37 years
    ago, when I was in high school using a darkroom and doing a lot of B/W
    prints.

    For me a rather large number of my photographs are from canoe races, I
    will shoot on the order of 1,000 photos at a race, if this seems like
    a lot keep in mind there maybe 280 teams competing at a given race.
    Our own club will race in maybe 30 races in a day.

    Getting a good photo of 6 people all at the same time is not easy.
    Here is a case where the timing is not at all good
    http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/103287787

    This one is much better, not perfect, but much better
    http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/103287802

    Keep in mind they are paddling around 65 to 70 strokes/minute bit more
    then 1 a second, so an error of even 50ms can be the difference
    between a good photo and a not so go one. When I am shooting I am
    trying to get one good photo per stroke, there might be 10 strokes
    that give me a chance a this.

    Then there are all the people shots during the races, that give it a
    human feeling, people watching the race, the people getting out of the
    boat after winning, or lossing, people just sitting around chatting,
    all of these photos are needed to give a feel for the day.

    Of the 1,000 photos maybe 20% will find there way into a slide show.
    The first slide show I did I had close to 300 photos in it from a
    number of races. I played this during our clubs annual party and
    though no one would watch the whole think, this was running on a
    monitor that people could go up to and stand and watch. Not only did
    people watch the whole thing but they had to watch it all over again a
    number of times, you might think my photos are crap, but opinions
    vary.

    I also put up a lot of photos on our clubs web site, people love
    seeing photos of themselves.

    On a vacation I will often shoot between 1,000 photos a day to 2,000;

    I believe I am a fair bit older then you and so have a longer history
    of photographing. I can tell you then in going over my photo
    collection from over the years there is not place where I has wished I
    took fewer photo, but many places where I wish I had taken more.
    Trying to have every photo a work of art is a great way to miss
    getting the photos that will have the most value in years to come.

    A new body every 3-4 years, big deal, either you are paying more then
    that for film now, or in 20 years you will have wished you had.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Sep 18, 2008
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    Scott W Guest

    How many photos a year do you figure you are taking now?

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Sep 18, 2008
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    Scott W Guest

    But I bet he did his first 10,000 in far less then 10 years, don't
    worry you will get there yet.

    Another way to think about this is this, you have shot less in the
    last 10 years then a National Geographic photographer will shoot in
    two weeks, there is a reason they shoot that much.

    Figure you average 720 shots in a year, you could almost cover a canoe
    race with that number.

    The slide show I am working on, photos from races over the last 12
    months, will have something like 2000 photos in it.

    But my real point is that if you are shooting that little it most
    likely means you are only shooting what seems worthy of using film
    on. If you really have only been shooting for 10 years then I have
    been shooting a very much longer time then you, and looking back at
    photos from 30 years ago I can say that I really wish I had taken far
    more, as there are many things that I did not get photograph that I
    now regrett not having photos of.

    As one example, I have photos of my co-workers going back around 9
    years ago, but I don't have photos of co-worker going back 30 years
    ago, or photos of where I worked. The dumb part is that part of my
    job 30 years ago was doing some photography, so I had the camera right
    there, all I would have needed to do was take a few photos, but I was
    young at the time and it just did not occur to me that 30 years later
    I would have really like to have had a few photos from the work place.

    And it is not just work, favorite restaurants, friends, parks, the
    neighborhood, stores, you name it.

    My wife and I go on walks in the morning, we meet a lot of people
    during these walks, I am photographing all of them over time, the
    photographs have little value at to us at this point in time, but in
    30 years they will have a lot more value.

    Life is a wonderful thing, it is well worth documenting and
    documenting well, at least IMO.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Sep 18, 2008
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    Annika1980 Guest

    Wow, those guys must not be very good photographers, huh?
     
    Annika1980, Sep 19, 2008
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    Scott W Guest

    Oddly even though I don't pursue it at all a few of my photographs
    still end up being published, local paper airline magazines, that kind
    of thing, not to the level of N.G, still it is kind of fun to see your
    photos in print.

    My advice to you is, don't take up sports photography.
    A couple of years ago I would have agree, but after having people sit
    through 300-400 slides three or four times I realized that I did not
    put in nearly enough photos, ideally someone watching the show would
    be able to watch for as long as they might want and not see a photo
    repeat, I really thougth 300-400 photos would have been enough, turns
    out I was way under.
    To each his own. My photography has changed over the years and my
    photos are better for it.
    As for not being rush, again don't take up sport photography, you
    don't have the mind set for it.
    I guess I have gotten along with my co-workers a bit better then you
    have.
    I had a whole lot of fun at the first real place I worked, I have
    memories but no photos,
    it sounds like you don't even have good memories.

    In fact just about everywhere I have worked I have had a really good
    time, and really wish I had photos going back many years, live and
    learn.
    You might I don't.
    I have a 350D she has a 20D, works great as we can share lenses back
    and forth.
    You sound like a number of people I run into on the forums, so worried
    that their photogrpah is "good" that they almost don't dare take
    something that might be viewed as just a snap shot.
    At least we agree on something.
     
    Scott W, Sep 19, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    A couple of years ago I would have agree, but after having people sit
    These people who watch a 300-400 slide show program of a canoe
    race...is the alternative having a root canal done by a cross-eyed
    dentist with palsy?
     
    tony cooper, Sep 19, 2008
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    Scott W Guest

    Keep in mind these are photos taken over a full year, and these are
    paddlers.
    To be truthful really did not think any one would watch the whole
    thing, it was set up to repeat, but people just stayed and watch the
    thing go through a number of time, with rather a lot of comments being
    made.

    Photos that show real people doing what they love are going to hold
    peoples attention a whole lot better then photos that try to be
    artistic. Try to get people so sit through 400 photo of say, the
    southwest, it just isn’t going to happen. The photos need to show
    something of interest to the intended audience, I paddle and so have a
    pretty good idea of what will be of interest, and what will not.

    The slide show is set up off to the side during our annual party,
    anything but a captive audience.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Sep 19, 2008
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    Paul Furman Guest

    is that MF or 35mm?
    http://cameras.alfredklomp.com/horizon202/

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    all google groups messages filtered due to spam
     
    Paul Furman, Sep 29, 2008
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    Noons Guest

    Noons, Sep 29, 2008
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