Something wrong with the Fuji X-Pro 1 test on Dpreview

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, Jun 29, 2012.

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    Bruce Guest


    Read carefully the quoted text ...
     
    Bruce, Jun 29, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    The first thing that comes to mind regarding Montessori for me, is
    education and education methodology. Medicine was a secondary
    distraction which led to the opportunity to deal with education for
    problem kids with various learning disabilities. From there her
    teaching methods were adopted globally for general education of
    children at all levels of ability and development.

    Floyd as the prime educator of Barrow, and the World would tell us she
    was wrong and her impact minimal. Probably the greatest indication that
    her methods worked, is the wide spread establishment of Montessori
    schools in India. There are Montessori schools in the US, but not
    nearly enough. Perhaps US educators need to reexamine those methods?

    < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori >
     
    Savageduck, Jun 29, 2012
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    Joe Kotroczo Guest

    Dan Aykroyd
    Keanu Reeves
    Leonard Cohen
    Celine Dion
    Alannis Morisette
    Neil Young
    Jim Carrey
    Sarah McLachlan
    Bryan Adams
    Paul Anka
    James Cameron
    John Candy
    Douglas Coupland
    David Cronenberg
    William Gibson
    Joni Mitchell
    Oscar Peterson
    William Shatner

    and so on...
     
    Joe Kotroczo, Jun 29, 2012
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    Dan Aykroyd
    Keanu Reeves
    Leonard Cohen
    Celine Dion
    Alannis Morisette
    Neil Young
    Jim Carrey
    Sarah McLachlan
    Bryan Adams
    Paul Anka
    James Cameron
    John Candy
    Douglas Coupland
    David Cronenberg
    William Gibson
    Joni Mitchell
    Oscar Peterson
    William Shatner

    and so on...
    ==========================

    Yes, I've heard of five of those, so it's more than just Giles and Jacques!
    (I no longer take an interest in "pop" and have little interest in films.)

    Thanks,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Jun 30, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Here are a few Canadians you might not have heard of, but many should
    be thankful to, because of their work;
    Frederick Banting
    J.J.R. Macleod
    Charles Best
    James Collip

    The clue to their work lies in their sale for the patent on synthesized
    insulin to Toronto University fo the grand sum of half a Canadian
    Dollar. Two of them, Banting and Macleod subsequently won the Nobel
    prize for medicine.
     
    Savageduck, Jun 30, 2012
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 29/06/2012 5:54 p.m., Me wrote:
    :
    : > He looked roman to me - who the hell is that guy? Has there ever been a
    : > famous Canadian?
    :
    : William Shatner

    Wayne Gretzky

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jun 30, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Bob & Doug McKenzie
     
    Savageduck, Jun 30, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Then there are:
    Lorne Michaels
    Paul Schaffer

    ....and we have famous photographers:
    Karsh
    Alan Browne
    Rich Anderson
    Dudley Hanks
     
    Savageduck, Jun 30, 2012
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    Dudley Hanks Guest

    Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I doubt I qualify as being either
    famous or a photographer ... :)

    However, there is no shortage of famous Canadian photographers.

    I'd start the list with Jeff Wall, Ian Wallace, and Ed Burtynsky ...

    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Jun 30, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Hey! You are a famous Canadian photographer in these circles.;-)
    Personally I classify Jeff Wall as an artist before labeling him a
    photographer. Photography is incidental to the resulting work and one
    of the methodical steps in his art.
     
    Savageduck, Jun 30, 2012
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    Dudley Hanks Guest

    I guess that's why I find myself at odds with more than a few photogs on
    this group.

    I view photographers as artists, but others seem to see them more as
    technicians.

    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Jun 30, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    I certainly agree that many photographers are artists. However, I would
    say that their intent is the primary consideration. Bear in mind that
    using art as an excuse for bad photographic technique or goofy post
    processing is still not valid. OOF is still OOF and is not truly an
    artistic expression.

    There are photographs which are best presented as a record, and close
    representation of reality. Then there are those presented as an
    expression of the photographer's mind's eye, via selection of lens, and
    post processing methods. I include both film and digital photographers,
    and both chemical, and digital post processing.

    That brings us to the variety of individuals found in the photo groups.
    There are those who consider any adjustment beyond their perception of
    photo-reality to be bad, the anti-HDR group for example.
    These recorders of what they perceive as unaltered reality consider
    themselves to be purists. Along with them are the pixel peepers, &
    color purists, will discount anything straying from their standards as
    bad photography.

    Good wildlife, landscape, press/sport/combat/conflict, and even
    wedding/event (though they tend to process with an element of fantasy
    in mind) photographers are among the group who do their best to capture
    reality. Sometimes their work transcends the category of reality
    photography to be an expression of what could only be called art
    regardless of what others might think of them, or even what they might
    think of themselves.
    I certainly find many landscape, sports, and combat/conflict
    photographs to be works of art.

    There are the experimentalists who stumble upon a result via tinkering,
    and find it pleasing to their eye, and stirs their emotions regardless
    of what others feel. They are unintentional artists making an artistic
    statement. They might be using adjustments in whatever photo-editor
    they choose, plugins, and even, horrors! HDR, and the result is art.

    It is important to remember that art, for the most part is deliberate
    and intentional, not accidental. The tinkerers I describe above, are
    involving themselves in a deliberate creation of art, even if they deny
    it.

    Then there are the individuals such as Wall, who sets out with the
    purpose of creating a work of art. the camera is for him an artist's
    tool, just as the brush was a tool for Rembrandt and the chisel a tool
    for Michael Angelo. For him the photograph and any manipulation of his
    photograph is just the start of his creation process.
     
    Savageduck, Jun 30, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    I hope you realize that there are two groups: anti-HDR and apathetic
    to HDR. I'm in the latter.

    It's not really a matter of being against HDR; it's more of a matter
    of not seeing an HDR rendition as an improvement. Yes, yes, there are
    always a few images here and there that appear with some HDR treatment
    and don't look worse than the original. But, they are rare.
    Again, there's a second group. There's "never alter reality" group
    and the "alter reality but don't over-do it" group.

    I am a card-carrying member of both second groups.
     
    tony cooper, Jun 30, 2012
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    Dudley Hanks Guest



    SD, this is why I enjoy your posts, the posts of guys like Paul, SZ, Roger
    N. Clark, and several others on this group.

    You guys make me stop and think.

    For the last few years, I've spent the bulk of my time working on technique,
    relying on the world around me to provide the content.

    I think it's time to start using what I've learned to produce more focused,
    purpose-filled images....

    Take Care,
     
    Dudley Hanks, Jul 1, 2012
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    Eric Stevens Guest


    Sid Altman,
    Sir Frederick Banting,
    Willard Boyle,
    Bert Brockhouse,
    Gerhard Herzberg,
    David Hubel,
    Rudolph Marcus,
    John Polanyi,
    Michael Smith,
    Jack Szostak,
    Henry Taube,
    Richard Taylor.

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Jul 1, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    ....and you are not particularly partial to landscape photography, your
    main interest seems to be character capture, but you are not totally
    averse to shooting the occasional landscape when a majestic Florida
    canyon looms before you.
    That said HDR & Tone mapping remain useful creative tools.

    HDR is one of those processes which is easily abused with nightmarish
    results. That said, for those prepared to work with restraint
    interesting results are achievable. It can even be useful, either as a
    full HDR or a tone mapped single exposure, in the creation of
    interesting results in your area of interest, the candid character shot.

    So here are some comparisons again. First a landscape with a 5 exposure
    HDR compared with the zero adjustment exposure:
    < http://db.tt/ZypoOrEm >

    Then a single tone mapped image compared with the unadjusted original.
    Unfortunately, the "never alter reality" group loose touch with their
    perception of reality, the moment the camera goes up to the eye.
    That is nice, but sometimes it is fun to play with reality to stretch
    the imagination a bit.
     
    Savageduck, Jul 1, 2012
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    Robert Coe Guest

    On 2012-06-30 09:01:06 -0700, Savageduck <[email protected]{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:
    :
    : > On 2012-06-30 08:24:19 -0700, Robert Coe <> said:
    : >
    : >> : On 29/06/2012 5:54 p.m., Me wrote:
    : >> :
    : >> : > He looked roman to me - who the hell is that guy? Has there ever been a
    : >> : > famous Canadian?
    : >> :
    : >> : William Shatner
    : >>
    : >> Wayne Gretzky
    : >>
    : >> Bob
    : >
    : > Bob & Doug McKenzie
    :
    : Then there are:
    : Lorne Michaels
    : Paul Schaffer
    :
    : ...and we have famous photographers:
    : Karsh
    : Alan Browne
    : Rich Anderson
    : Dudley Hanks

    Karsh is a ringer on that list. I don't believe he was originally from Canada.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 1, 2012
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 29/06/2012 14:47, David J Taylor wrote:
    : > "Me" wrote in message : > []
    : > He looked roman to me - who the hell is that guy? Has there ever been a
    : > famous Canadian?
    : > ===============================
    : >
    : > The Villeneuve racing drivers, perhaps?
    :
    : Dan Aykroyd
    : Keanu Reeves
    : Leonard Cohen
    : Celine Dion
    : Alannis Morisette
    : Neil Young
    : Jim Carrey
    : Sarah McLachlan
    : Bryan Adams
    : Paul Anka
    : James Cameron
    : John Candy
    : Douglas Coupland
    : David Cronenberg
    : William Gibson
    : Joni Mitchell
    : Oscar Peterson
    : William Shatner
    :
    : and so on...

    Er... We're looking for *famous* Canadians. You've wandered well into the list
    of people I've never heard of. ;^)

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 1, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Born in Turkey, naturalized Canadian.
     
    Savageduck, Jul 1, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    We get hurricanes, and even tornados, here in Florida. That kind of
    spoils my interest in creating those dark and foreboding skies that HD
    over-doers seem to love.
    I'm sure that's a fun exercise, but that's not the type of thing that
    interests me as a candid photographer. It's just kind of hokey.
    You'll get no disagreement from me. Not an enthusiastic response to
    the finished product, but I respect the interest of others to be
    creative and try things. Personally, I would rather capture the warts
    than create them.

    Not a human in my planned submissions for the next SI, but here's a
    recent non-enhanced, slice of reality:

    http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-JqCszWw/0/X2/i-JqCszWw-X2.jpg
     
    tony cooper, Jul 1, 2012
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