Something wrong with the Fuji X-Pro 1 test on Dpreview

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. RichA

    Robert Coe Guest

    : On Friday, June 29, 2012 6:08:38 AM UTC+1, RichA wrote:
    :
    : > , I
    : > usually look at the money and the clock.
    :
    : Makes you sound like a Prostitute ;-)

    or a lawyer. :^)

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 1, 2012
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  2. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    That tone mapped image then makes a good foundation for a much better
    B&W conversion than you could possibly make from the original.
    < http://db.tt/CqZdkaTS >
     
    Savageduck, Jul 1, 2012
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  3. RichA

    Robert Coe Guest

    : On Jun 28, 11:19 pm, Savageduck <[email protected]{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
    : wrote:
    : > On 2012-06-28 20:09:33 -0700, RichA <> said:
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    : > > On Jun 28, 11:08 pm, Savageduck <[email protected]{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
    : > > wrote:
    : > >> On 2012-06-28 19:52:21 -0700, RichA <> said:
    : >
    : > >>> Move the little square over the image (the Queen's face near the
    : > >>> centre) and look at it. Use whatever ISO you like raw or jpeg. Wh
    : > > at
    : > >>> is with the big yellow diagonal streaks going across the face? It's
    : > >>> either near absent or absent in other camera images. I know the Fuji
    : > >>> doesn't have an AA filter and it has an unusual sensor, so could it be
    : > >>> some kind of moire?
    : >
    : > >> I don't see what yellow streaks you are referring too in the Fuji image.
    : > >> I zoomed in on the upper face of the queen of hearts, Nothing.
    : > >> Then I checked the lower face, again nothing.
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    : > >> --
    : > >> Regards,
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    : > >> Savageduck
    : >
    : > >http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x-pro1/25
    : >
    : > Yup! that was the page I checked. The only yellow I see is the yellow
    : > in the card design, no streaks in either of the Queen faces.
    : > I even checked my display calibration, and still have no yellow streak.
    : >
    : > --
    : > Regards,
    : >
    : > Savageduck
    :
    : I cropped the image out. This is a piece of the JPEG image, the RAW
    : shows it too, at 200-1600 ISO anyway.
    :
    : Now, the yellow bands run diagonally from left top to right bottom,
    : across the hair and face. They appear (depending on your monitor
    : size) about 1cm wide.
    :
    : http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/144390852

    Modern banknotes often have various kinds of artifacts deliberately added to
    deter counterfeiting. Maybe on the banknote itself those bars are invisible,
    but glow under an ultraviolet light.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 1, 2012
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  4. RichA

    tony cooper Guest

    "Better" can be a rather debatable description. That's just not what
    people like me go for.
     
    tony cooper, Jul 1, 2012
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  5. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    Nice!

    I have been known to do the unaltered slice of reality thing from time
    to time. ;-)
    < http://db.tt/ugXy4ohN >
     
    Savageduck, Jul 1, 2012
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  6. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    I see you are not biting today.
     
    Savageduck, Jul 1, 2012
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  7. RichA

    Robert Coe Guest

    Damn! I am a researching fool!
    :
    : The bank note is not Canadian, and the image is not a Queen, but an
    : educator. It is a 1000 Lira bank of Italy note honoring Maria
    : Montessori.
    :
    : The yellow appears in most photographs of the note and I believe that
    : it is an anti-counterfeit measure.

    I'll bet the Duck's analysis is spot-on. Even before I read his articles, I
    had already surmised that the bars had something to do with preventing
    counterfeiting. (Though I certainly didn't recognize the face as that of Maria
    Montessori!)

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 1, 2012
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  8. RichA

    Robert Coe Guest

    : I did some Google snooping before I read this (using Gio Pino as a
    : search term) and found the 1,000 note too. Maria was the first woman
    : in Italy to qualify as a physician. The back of the note honors
    : teachers with a more modern image.
    :
    : http://www.banknotebank.com/note/932592
    :
    : Maria seems to have contracted jaundice.
    :
    : I would have said that saying Maria was an educator was wrong, but
    : Floyd would consider that a "profession flame", and we don't want to
    : stir Floyd up, do we?

    Why do you say she wasn't an educator? Has the "Montessori method" been
    officially discredited? I guess I missed that.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 1, 2012
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  9. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Rename the process, "Horrible Dynamic Range." Makes sense because the
    name should reflect the reality of most of the output we see created
    with it.
     
    RichA, Jul 1, 2012
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  10. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    I see at least three groups.

    Purists;
    alter reality, but don't overdo it; and
    Do anything you want that you feel will produce an artistic image.

    Then there is the sub-group that says manipulation is OK, only if done
    in camera.
     
    PeterN, Jul 1, 2012
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  11. RichA

    tony cooper Guest

    I think that goes beyond photography. Combining two or more images,
    extreme manipulation, and use of brush strokes or text as part of the
    post becomes a form of artistic expression, not photographic
    expression. The photo, or photos, are just the starting canvas.

    Nothing wrong with that, either.
     
    tony cooper, Jul 1, 2012
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  12. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    PeterN, Jul 1, 2012
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  13. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    Yup!
    And here is a straight shot with only some retouching and sharpening.
    (It did very well in my CC, winning print of the year, my first ever.)

    <http://peternewman.smugmug.com/Photography/public/21526966_dVBkNG#!i=1938395849&k=ZZBXTDp&lb=1&s=A>
     
    PeterN, Jul 1, 2012
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  14. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    Savageduck, Jul 1, 2012
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  15. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    Well, everyone listed is actually a famous Canadian.
     
    Savageduck, Jul 2, 2012
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  16. RichA

    tony cooper Guest

    Depends on what you think was her primary accomplishment. Being the
    first woman in Italy to qualify as a physician was much more of an
    accomplishment for a woman than being a teacher. Initially, she
    worked with mentally disabled children in her role as a physician.
    Later, she worked with children from low income families.
     
    tony cooper, Jul 2, 2012
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  17. RichA

    tony cooper Guest

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  18. RichA

    tony cooper Guest

    Except for Coupland and Cronenberg, I recognized all of the names.
     
    tony cooper, Jul 2, 2012
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  19. RichA

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Eric Stevens, Jul 2, 2012
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  20. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    Did the indifference of the cop appear feigned to you?

    As he was walking past this scene he appeared to be trying very hard to
    look straight ahead.
     
    PeterN, Jul 3, 2012
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