Something wrong with the Fuji X-Pro 1 test on Dpreview

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    I don't understand why he didn't use proper procedure by leaving her on
    his right as he walked past. Instead he is unable to ID this miscreant
    from the rear by leaving her on his left.
     
    Savageduck, Jul 3, 2012
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    GMAN Guest

    GMAN, Jul 3, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    tony cooper, Jul 3, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    Just a few people were on the sidewalk, watching.
     
    PeterN, Jul 3, 2012
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    Eric Stevens, Jul 4, 2012
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:54:05 GMT,
    : (GMAN) wrote:
    :
    : >>On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 21:27:50 -0400, tony cooper
    : >>
    : >>>On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 11:29:36 -0400, PeterN
    : >>>
    : >>>>On 6/30/2012 8:30 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    : >>>>> On 2012-06-30 17:18:18 -0700, tony cooper <> said:
    : >>>>>
    : >>>>>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:56:35 -0700, Savageduck
    : >>>>>
    : >>>>>
    : >>>>> <<< Le Snip >>>
    : >>>>>
    : >>>>>>> That is nice, but sometimes it is fun to play with reality to stretch
    : >>>>>>> the imagination a bit.
    : >>>>>>
    : >>>>>> You'll get no disagreement from me. Not an enthusiastic response to
    : >>>>>> the finished product, but I respect the interest of others to be
    : >>>>>> creative and try things. Personally, I would rather capture the warts
    : >>>>>> than create them.
    : >>>>>>
    : >>>>>> Not a human in my planned submissions for the next SI, but here's a
    : >>>>>> recent non-enhanced, slice of reality:
    : >>>>>>
    : >>>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-JqCszWw/0/X2/i-JqCszWw-X2.jpg
    : >>>>>
    : >>>>> Nice!
    : >>>>>
    : >>>>> I have been known to do the unaltered slice of reality thing from time
    : >>>>> to time. ;-)
    : >>>>> < http://db.tt/ugXy4ohN >
    : >>>>
    : >>>>
    : >>>>As have I. ;-)
    : >>>>
    : >>>><http://peternewman.smugmug.com/Photography/public/21526966_dVBkNG#!i=1938353
    : >>298&k=wr3BLwG&lb=1&s=A>
    : >>>>
    : >>>>Hard to tell the recipient of the current spray.
    : >>>
    : >>>Another unaltered slice of life recent image:
    : >>>
    : >
    : >
    : >http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-z3g5LCf/0/X2/i-z3g5LCf-X2.jpg
    : >
    : >Am I the only one here that finds the above photo a little creepy?
    :
    : That says more about you than it does about the photo. That's the
    : boy's father watching him while his mother took his brother into the
    : restroom.

    As I read it, the purpose of the photo is to allow you to respond as you did
    to G-Man's question. No one seeing it for the first time will apprehend the
    true situation, i.e. that the rather seedy-looking character watching the
    little boy is actually the boy's father. You're an experienced street
    photographer with a trained eye for the unusual. It would be laughable for you
    to suggest that what G-man saw in the picture wasn't exactly what you expected
    a viewer to see. So I think your first sentence is hardly a fair comment.

    Note that I'm not saying that the event itself seemed in any way creepy. (How
    could I, since I wasn't there?) Just the way it's depicted in the photograph.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 4, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Without the background knowledge, the image as presented has a feel of
    "target acquisition" about it.

    It almost evokes this Kevin Carter Pulitzer Prize winning image:
    < http://hannahlkwagh.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/p21060361.jpg >

    ....and even that image did not depict the truth of the situation. So
    the photographer not telling the full background story can lead to
    misinterpretation by the viewer.
     
    Savageduck, Jul 4, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    You are correct. It was an unfair comment on my part.

    The photo was taken on St George Street in St Augustine, Florida.
    It's a "walking street" lined with shops and a busy tourist
    destination.

    I had been sitting on a bench for some time just watching the passing
    crowd when this family came into view. The two brothers had on
    comically overlarge tee shirts and were goofing around as small
    children do. I don't normally photograph small children, so I didn't
    try for a shot of the two boys even though the "cute factor" was a 10.

    The family doubled back and the mother took one boy into the restroom
    while the father and the other boy remained outside. I couldn't pass
    up this photo.

    I can assure any viewers that this was not a creepy situation.
     
    tony cooper, Jul 4, 2012
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    Whisky-dave Guest

    I'd judge it on their work, if it was arty then they;d be artists.Then theres record shot photograph and tehn jounalism photography, sport....

    My favourite thing from Canada are the Trailer park boys...
    closely followed by Terance and Phillip from southpark ;-)

    not forgetting scottie (James Doohan) in his job he had to break the laws of physics.
     
    Whisky-dave, Jul 4, 2012
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    J. Clarke Guest

    I'm hardly up to speed on popular culture and I can identify most of
    those, so they certainly qualify as well known.
     
    J. Clarke, Jul 4, 2012
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    J. Clarke Guest

    If the venue is the one I think it is then he's likely somewhat jaded.
     
    J. Clarke, Jul 4, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    I don't know that term. Isn't "target acquisition" what we always do
    with every shot? See the target and acquire an image of it?
    There's a story about a "Life" magazine photographer in Viet Nam who
    was photographing from a helicopter when one of the crew members was
    shot by ground troops. The photographer grabbed a shot of the
    bloodied, dying soldier being held by another crew member. It ran in
    "Life".

    Many people criticized the photographer for revealing this intimate
    moment of death to the public. The family of the dead soldier saw the
    photo in the magazine months later.

    In Journalism and in Street, photographers photograph what they see.
    They don't make judgements of what the viewer will make of it.
    Surely, when we see a photograph of the people involved in a car
    accident, a violent crime, a burned house, or anything of that sort we
    know the subject of the photo - and those related to the subject - are
    experiencing pain and suffering. The photographer isn't responsible,
    though.

    This image of mine reflects neither pain nor suffering, and I'm not
    concerned about what the viewer conjectures. I was comfortable taking
    it because I knew the scene was innocuous.

    I was wrong to criticize G-Man, though. I'm not sure I agree with
    Peter that the father is "seedy-looking". He's a tourist. That's the
    way that quite a few tourists look when on vacation. I could do a
    series of photographs of tourists who would make him look as
    respectable as an Episcopalian Deacon.
     
    tony cooper, Jul 4, 2012
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 05:20:35 -0700, Savageduck
    :
    : >On 2012-07-04 04:45:02 -0700, Robert Coe <> said:
    : >
    : >> On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 12:37:47 -0400, tony cooper <>
    : >> wrote:
    : >> : On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:54:05 GMT,
    : >> : (GMAN) wrote:
    : >> :
    : >> : >In article <>, Eric
    : >> : >>On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 21:27:50 -0400, tony cooper
    : >> : >>
    : >> : >>>On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 11:29:36 -0400, PeterN
    : >> : >>>
    : >> : >>>>On 6/30/2012 8:30 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    : >> : >>>>> On 2012-06-30 17:18:18 -0700, tony cooper
    : >> <> said:
    : >> : >>>>>
    : >> : >>>>>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:56:35 -0700, Savageduck
    : >> : >>>>>
    : >> : >>>>>
    : >> : >>>>> <<< Le Snip >>>
    : >> : >>>>>
    : >> : >>>>>>> That is nice, but sometimes it is fun to play with reality to stretch
    : >> : >>>>>>> the imagination a bit.
    : >> : >>>>>>
    : >> : >>>>>> You'll get no disagreement from me. Not an enthusiastic response to
    : >> : >>>>>> the finished product, but I respect the interest of others to be
    : >> : >>>>>> creative and try things. Personally, I would rather capture the warts
    : >> : >>>>>> than create them.
    : >> : >>>>>>
    : >> : >>>>>> Not a human in my planned submissions for the next SI, but here's a
    : >> : >>>>>> recent non-enhanced, slice of reality:
    : >> : >>>>>>
    : >> : >>>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-JqCszWw/0/X2/i-JqCszWw-X2.jpg
    : >> : >>>>>
    : >> : >>>>> Nice!
    : >> : >>>>>
    : >> : >>>>> I have been known to do the unaltered slice of reality thing from time
    : >> : >>>>> to time. ;-)
    : >> : >>>>> < http://db.tt/ugXy4ohN >
    : >> : >>>>
    : >> : >>>>
    : >> : >>>>As have I. ;-)
    : >> : >>>>
    : >> :
    : >> >>>><http://peternewman.smugmug.com/Photography/public/21526966_dVBkNG#!i=1938353
    : >:
    : >>
    : >> >>298&k=wr3BLwG&lb=1&s=A>
    : >> : >>>>
    : >> : >>>>Hard to tell the recipient of the current spray.
    : >> : >>>
    : >> : >>>Another unaltered slice of life recent image:
    : >> : >>>
    : >> : >
    : >> : >
    : >> : >http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-z3g5LCf/0/X2/i-z3g5LCf-X2.jpg
    : >> : >
    : >> : >Am I the only one here that finds the above photo a little creepy?
    : >> :
    : >> : That says more about you than it does about the photo. That's the
    : >> : boy's father watching him while his mother took his brother into the
    : >> : restroom.
    : >>
    : >> As I read it, the purpose of the photo is to allow you to respond as you did
    : >> to G-Man's question. No one seeing it for the first time will apprehend the
    : >> true situation, i.e. that the rather seedy-looking character watching the
    : >> little boy is actually the boy's father. You're an experienced street
    : >> photographer with a trained eye for the unusual. It would be laughable for you
    : >> to suggest that what G-man saw in the picture wasn't exactly what you expected
    : >> a viewer to see. So I think your first sentence is hardly a fair comment.
    : >>
    : >> Note that I'm not saying that the event itself seemed in any way creepy. (How
    : >> could I, since I wasn't there?) Just the way it's depicted in the photograph.
    : >>
    : >> Bob
    : >
    : >Without the background knowledge, the image as presented has a feel of
    : >"target acquisition" about it.
    :
    : I don't know that term. Isn't "target acquisition" what we always do
    : with every shot? See the target and acquire an image of it?
    :
    : >...and even that image did not depict the truth of the situation. So
    : >the photographer not telling the full background story can lead to
    : >misinterpretation by the viewer.
    :
    : There's a story about a "Life" magazine photographer in Viet Nam who
    : was photographing from a helicopter when one of the crew members was
    : shot by ground troops. The photographer grabbed a shot of the
    : bloodied, dying soldier being held by another crew member. It ran in
    : "Life".
    :
    : Many people criticized the photographer for revealing this intimate
    : moment of death to the public. The family of the dead soldier saw the
    : photo in the magazine months later.
    :
    : In Journalism and in Street, photographers photograph what they see.
    : They don't make judgements of what the viewer will make of it.
    : Surely, when we see a photograph of the people involved in a car
    : accident, a violent crime, a burned house, or anything of that sort we
    : know the subject of the photo - and those related to the subject - are
    : experiencing pain and suffering. The photographer isn't responsible,
    : though.
    :
    : This image of mine reflects neither pain nor suffering, and I'm not
    : concerned about what the viewer conjectures. I was comfortable taking
    : it because I knew the scene was innocuous.
    :
    : I was wrong to criticize G-Man, though. I'm not sure I agree with
    : Peter that the father is "seedy-looking". He's a tourist. That's the
    : way that quite a few tourists look when on vacation. I could do a
    : series of photographs of tourists who would make him look as
    : respectable as an Episcopalian Deacon.

    For the record, it was I, not Peter, who introduced the term "seedy-looking".
    Maybe "menacing" would have said it better. It's all context-dependent, of
    course. If I'd seen the guy on the street, I'm sure I wouldn't have given him
    a second thought.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 4, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    I was being purely facetious using the term "target acquisition"
    relating it to a "predator" in the background acquiring a target, as in
    the Carter image.
    That was 47 years ago and I remember little criticism of Larry Burrows,
    the photographer in question, for his series "One Ride With Yankee Papa
    13". This is probably one of the greatest examples of combat
    photography to come out of the Viet Nam war, and tells a stark truth of
    what those who engage in combat endure under fire, and the emotions
    they experience as a result.
    The story as told in Life spelt out the heroism of the Crew Chief of
    YP-13, James Farley as he ran to a downed helicopter, YP-3, to attempt
    a rescue of that crew. Those were the men lying on the floor of his
    helicopter, which also carried Burrows.
    < http://life.time.com/history/vietnam-war-one-ride-with-yankee-papa-13/#1 >
    < http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0302/lb_index.html >

    He was killed in 1971 along with three other Viet Nam War
    photographers, Kent Potter, Henri Huet, & Keisaburo Shimamoto when the
    helicopter they were flying in, was shot down over Laos.
    He was a great combat photographer, who put himself in harms way to
    capture his images.

    That story, and the search for the crash site and any remains was told
    by fellow combat photographer-journalists Horst Fass & Richard Pyle in
    their book, "Lost Over Laos". It is a good and informative read.

    The work of many of the photographers who died in Viet Nam can be found
    in a great collection compiled by photographers Horst Fass & Tim Page
    in "Requiem". Those photographers range from Robert Capa to Sean Flynn.
    All great and evocative work.

    Agreed. The photographer is recording the moment. Sometimes that
    captured moment lends itself to secondary interpretation.
    It was a great capture of an interesting moment.
    No, You were defending your work by reflecting G-Man's remark back on
    him. A reflex on your part that was as presumptive as any presumptive
    interpretation of the scene you captured.
    My first impression was, that it was a great candid capture. However,
    after G-Man's response, I could also see what led him to that train of
    thought and I made my comment relative to the Kevin Carter shot.
    Tourist attire & appearance. You should see what I look like on a daily
    basis, let alone what I look like when I am playing tourist!
     
    Savageduck, Jul 4, 2012
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 2012-07-04 13:06:57 -0700, tony cooper <> said:
    : > I'm not sure I agree with
    : > Peter that the father is "seedy-looking". He's a tourist. That's the
    : > way that quite a few tourists look when on vacation. I could do a
    : > series of photographs of tourists who would make him look as
    : > respectable as an Episcopalian Deacon.
    :
    : Tourist attire & appearance. You should see what I look like on a daily
    : basis, let alone what I look like when I am playing tourist!

    One of the reasons I'm a photographer is that I rarely have to be in the
    picture.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 5, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    That is a neat trick, I have found to be very useful.

    I seldom have a need to worry about ketchup stains. ;-)
     
    Savageduck, Jul 5, 2012
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