Sony DSR-250 vs Canon XL1/XL2?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Argo22, Sep 29, 2008.

  1. Argo22

    Argo22 Guest

    I record weddings locally using 2 Sony DSR-250 DVCAM cameras. I was at
    a wedding show the other day, and a few booths had the Canon XL1/XL2
    cameras. I know these are SD cameras, however was wondering how they
    compared to the DSR-250.

    I have been having issues with my footage on LCD monitors. I
    understand it is still SD, but the monitors both CRT and some LCD pc
    monitors and tvs I test in my office look good, but when I hand them
    out to customers, they hardly look as good as a webcast. I understand
    the settings on tvs can cause the pictures to look good or bad,
    however i have lost confidence in my footage in SD, and really do not
    know if I could afford HDV at this time.

    Is there big enough a difference between the DSR-250 and Canon series
    to warrent a change, or should i just keep the sonys and wait until
    hdv?

    THanks
    Mark
     
    Argo22, Sep 29, 2008
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  2. Then how can you suspect the camera(s)? Doesn't add up.
    When you say "look good" are you refering to the original
    camera footage, or the edited distribution medium (presumably
    MPEG compressed DVD?)
    If the DVDs (or whatever?) look OK before you hand them over,
    what do you think you can do to make them look better on the
    customers' screens?
    Perhaps you left out some key detail, but your "presenting symptoms"
    don't seem to have anything to do with your cameras.
    Not clear that there is anything wrong with your current cameras at all.
     
    Richard Crowley, Sep 29, 2008
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  3. Argo22

    Argo22 Guest

    Very true. What i should be asking for is a review between the DSR-250
    and the Canon XL1/XL2. Is the picture quality much difference between
    the cameras or only marginal?

    Since the wedding show, i have be questioning all aspects of my
    equipment.

    Mark
     
    Argo22, Sep 29, 2008
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  4. Go here (where various Mini-DV camcorders are compared,
    with frame-grabs included),
    http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/camcorder-comparison.htm
    (the DSR250 and VX2000/PD150 "guts" are essentially the same
    in terms of picture). Bottom line: I found the VX2000's image
    quality in all light levels superior to that of the XL1 in many ways
    (go here, and use the "key' to see why...,
    http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/vid_pict_characts.htm), and
    the VX2000 could also get a useable image in VERY low light,
    useful for my wedding work. I miss the ease of shooting with that
    camera, but the HD image looks SO much better than HD for my
    current work...;-) Do NOT trade "down" for the Canon Mini-DV
    camcorders - you will not like them as much as the DSR-250. If
    you can wait until early November, Sony is introducing an HDV
    HD camcorder that is amazing (it is the HD equivalent of the
    VX2000, also with excellent low light range, at a fairly affordable
    $3200 retail). BTW, I have many other articles on my web site on
    video, at -- http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/articles.html#video
    --David Ruether
    www.donferrario.com/ruether
     
    David Ruether, Sep 29, 2008
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  5. Argo22

    David McCall Guest

    If your DVD looks fine at the office but your customers aren't seeing the
    same thing,
    perhaps the problem is with your monitoring equipment or method. Many of us
    still have profesional analog monitors and color bar generators so that we
    can have a
    reliable reference. There are LCD reference monitors these days but I think
    the
    good ones still start around $5000. A compararable tube is half of that.


    David
     
    David McCall, Sep 29, 2008
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  6. Um, yes, they are... Many more features are certainly included,
    and doubtless the image quality of the XL2 is much improved over
    that of the XL1 (as the GL2's was over the GL1's - although that
    one was still well short of the VX2000's image quality), but when
    it comes to a comparison between the OP's 250 and the XL2, I
    doubt that he will see any significant improvement (and may see the
    reverse) that would warrant switching at this point. The limitation is
    with the medium, and compared with HD, Mini-DV looks quite
    bad. Sony is about to release two HD camcorders that look quite
    attractive (one at $2000 with three 1/4" chips, and one at $3200,
    still in the form type of the VX2000 and with three 1/3" chips and
    about the same low light "reach" as the VX2000 - and for about
    $700 more, you get XLRs, etc. [as with the PD170 compared with
    the VX2100]). One can shoot either SD or HD with these, and be
    ready for delivering HD when the call for it is there.
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Oct 1, 2008
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  7. A clarification --
    The Sony HDR-FX7 has apparently been out for a while ($2000 at
    BHphotovideo) and the HDR-FX1000 (plus the fancier model) is
    about to appear in early November. Canon has a similar model
    to the HDR-XF1000, the XH-A1. Also, sorry for the repetitiveness
    in the post above - I should have read my own earlier post again to
    see what I had already covered. I claim the "cover" of a busy day
    yesterday, and encroaching forgetfulness...;-)
     
    David Ruether, Oct 1, 2008
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