Sony DSR11 deck work with FCP?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by scribz, Jun 22, 2004.

  1. scribz

    scribz Guest

    Hi. I'm looking at the Sony DSR 11 deck and want to confirm it will
    work by Firewire with my G4. Also, can I plug an external TV monitor
    into it and view the FCP Canvas?
    scribz, Jun 22, 2004
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  2. Yes, the DSR-11 does work OK with FCP - BUT you need to be running an
    up to date version of FCP otherwise you can get audio/video sync

    The analogue output of the DSR-11 will mirror whatever is being fed to
    it via the Firewire cable.


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    Steve Roberts, Jun 22, 2004
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    scribz Guest

    Great. Running the last FCP 3.04. That ok or you need 4.5?

    This the s-Video output off the DSR 11?

    ie G4 -> Firewire -> Sony DSR -11 -> S-Video -> TV monitor ?

    scribz, Jun 22, 2004
  4. I'm not a Mac user, I'm only basing this on the recent experience of a
    friend. I asked him and his reply was:-

    FCP3 has problems importing in sync via Firewire. The audio was
    randomly 1-2 frames ahead (I think). This was on MacOS 9.2.2.

    I have, however, discovered another problem with FCP4.5HD (under

    I was trying to run some stuff out to DV from FCP4.5HD and, whatever I
    did, the DSR-11 was not picking up the timecode. I connected the DSR
    to the Powerbook (which still has FCP3 on it) and no problem -
    timecode recorded fine. Back to FCP4: no timecode.

    Saturday morning was spent on the phone to Apple support. They
    suggested reinstalling FCP. To do this, you first have to uninstall
    it, which means manually deleting a whole load of files on a list they
    send you. Then you reinstall, do the software updates and so on. After
    two hours of that, still no timecode. Back on to Apple support...

    Eventually, they sent me this link:

    In other words, FCP 4 has disabled the sending of timecode via
    Firewire while playing a project. They suggest you use the DV-CAM
    deck's internal tc generator. Of course, the DSR-11 does not have an
    internal TCG - or rather it has one, but it only records from
    00:00:00:00. So you cannot have project timecode on a dub to a DSR-11.
    They've actually removed the facility.

    This strikes me as absurd, and Apple Support are escalating it to
    their engineers. It largely removes one of the whole points of DV

    Why have they done this? I wonder if Sony were miffed that they were
    losing out on sales of higher-spec DV machines because of this
    facility, and lobbied for it to be disabled.

    That's basically how I run my setup at home, except it's a PC and the
    Firewire conenction is a dedicated Canopus DV Storm2 card.


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    Steve Roberts, Jun 22, 2004
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    scribz Guest

    On 2004-06-22 14:46:50 +0200, (Steve Roberts) said:

    Thanks for the in depth answer... I remember reading something this
    morning about out of sync and it's a settings thing... let me dig it

    Found it:

    What I have found is that most Final Cut Pro systems are not set up
    correctly. There are a number of reasons for "audio out of sync", which
    is one of the big reasons I am hired to build systems, or go to a
    facility where a system was not built properly. To properly get a FCP
    system working without crashes, dropped frames, out of sync audio and
    many other issues, takes about 4 hours (from a fresh G4, to
    software/hardware install and thorough setup). There are to many
    reasons to list here, for "audio out of sync", but here is one setting
    that is most often set incorrectly (as a matter of fact, FCP defaults
    to this setting,... I'm not sure why? I have told Apple, just about two
    years ago?),... and that is the "Sync Adjust Movers Over" is
    enabled,... IT SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE DISABLED (no "x" in the box)!!!!.
    The only exception is if your DV source, via Firewire, is coming from a
    Canon XL1.

    scribz, Jun 22, 2004
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    mheffels Guest

    We have used it for a year on v3, so you don't need 4.5. The only time
    we experienced A/V out of synch, is when there are drops in the
    timecode. But you can set FCP to stop capturing on timecode-drops.
    The annoying thing is that you can only play very simple stuff back
    via firewire out. If it gets too complex, you'll have to render,
    before pre-viewing. You'll be better off doing the edit on the
    computer-monitor (so leave deck off), and if you feel it's time for a
    check on a decent monitor, to render your programme, and play out via



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    mheffels, Jun 22, 2004
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    scribz Guest

    I had read that. good to know, thanks.

    Ok. I was planning on using the deck for input and archive only. But
    your point is taken.

    Thanks again for the feedback.

    scribz, Jun 22, 2004
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