Sony HC39 vs HC42

Discussion in 'Sony' started by Jon Pitt, Mar 1, 2005.

  1. Jon Pitt

    Jon Pitt Guest

    First time Camcorder buyer. Is DV-in really that important. I can only
    really see myself downloading to PC and storing files on PC or output to
    DVD. Read something that makes editing easier with DV-in. Not sure I
    understand why.

    Also is widescreen and Megapixel worth the extra?? Maybe I would be best
    with HC22. No need for analogue in or digital photo on HC32

    Any views on these models. As I said I'm a total newbie. Would like
    something small enough to snowboard with. Don't know why only looking at
    Sony either,. just makes it easier.

    Thanks in advance for any advice

    Jon
     
    Jon Pitt, Mar 1, 2005
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  2. Jon Pitt

    Jon Pitt Guest

    He He

    The bloke above (StephenH) must have been writing post at same time!!!!
    Sorry for "double post"
     
    Jon Pitt, Mar 1, 2005
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    We have to remember that DV eats hard-disk space (3.4Mb per second of
    video). The "good stuff" that I've trimmed the dross from, I archive
    back to miniDV tape. When I went digital, I had some Hi8 footage of
    family which I was able to transfer to miniDV through analogue in.
    I was a bit "tongue-in-cheek" about widescreen, but I've just looked at
    some wide-screen on the TV that I've shot in the last few days, and it
    is impressive - especially if you have a wide-screen TV.
    I can't comment on the particular models, but Sony seem to bring out new
    models very frequently that have very little difference in functionality
    than the model they are replacing.

    All manufacturers seem to produce good camcorders, but having had three
    (now four) Sony models (one 8mm, one Hi8, and digital TRV30 and (very
    recently) a TRV80) you've guessed it - I'm a Sony fan. I've have no
    trouble with any of them, and my TRV30 has been heavily used over three
    years and it still produces as good video as the latest models.
     
    Tony Morgan, Mar 1, 2005
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  4. Jon Pitt

    Alex Busby Guest

    DVin is great for transfering between cameras, you never know when you may
    want to do that.
    I have the HC30e and the image quality is top notch, analogue in is good
    should you ever have the need to digitise old vhs stuff. I dont use the
    photo facility as I have digital SLR setup also.
    You could do worse than go for a Sony. You should be able to snow board with
    one easy enough with a helmet mount. I have to seperate helmet setups I use
    for skydive filming you can see them here.

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    Every skydive cameraman I know uses a Sony of some description, I can vouch
    for mine handling falling through the air at 120mph and standing up to the
    opening shock of the parachute.

    If I cah help you out setting up kit for a helmet let me know.

    Buzz
     
    Alex Busby, Mar 2, 2005
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    informer Guest

    I am also looking to get a Sony HC39 for its widescreen abilities to replace
    a JVC camcorder that had only 6 hours use but is 3 months out of warranty.

    The JVC had only DV-out but I have a hard drive DVD recorder so I would copy
    the tape via the i-link to the hard drive, edit the movie there and then
    burn it onto a DVD.
     
    informer, Mar 2, 2005
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    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    <snip one very old and unfunny joke>

    alt.rec.bad.jokes in along the corridor.

    BTW, my father jumped without a reserve parachute and witnessed many brave
    troops fail to their deaths as a result - assuming they weren't shot on the
    way down after opening their shoots.....
     
    :::Jerry::::, Mar 2, 2005
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  7. Jon Pitt

    John Russell Guest

    I have just changed to the HC42 from a JVC. The build quality is far
    superior. The touch screen could be akward for those with big fingers, or
    wareing thick snow gloves!
    Also DV is only accessible via the Handy cam station. This is a real pain
    for those who like "swapping" video in the field, or when copying lot's of
    tapes to the PC after a photo shoot. Having to unplug the power and un-dock
    the camera to swap tapes gets frustrating when you used to having all the
    cables plugged in the camera. Why couldn't they have found space for an on
    camera DV in/out?

    Also widescreen does drive you to want to film a wider field of view, and
    for that you need an add on wide lens. I have seen one make of widescreen
    cam due out this month which include that for free!

    Also why is that cameras which are not "budget" models still come with the
    "composite" only cable. Anyone buying a widescreen cam will have a
    widescreen TV with s-video inputs, and expect to use that! So that's
    another extra you have to get.
     
    John Russell, Mar 3, 2005
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  8. Jon Pitt

    John Russell Guest

    P.S.just ignore the "camera" function. It's like TV's with in built
    surround sound. If you want a decent large screen TV it will come with
    surround sound, yet most peole wanting a decent large screen TV will have a
    decent seperate surround system!

    Now when we get camcorders with 5m pixel CCD's it might be worth having.
    Even phone's come with 1m pixel camera's now!
     
    John Russell, Mar 3, 2005
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  9. I.e. CANON MV850i and at a RRP of 599 Euros much cheaper than a comparable
    SONY.
     
    Lou van Wijhe, Mar 3, 2005
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  10. Jon Pitt

    John Russell Guest

    When you see the number of items that are "tuneable" via the menu systems
    it's clear that you couldn't have "hard" switch's for all of them. The menu
    system itself is tuneable, which too me show's what could be done in the
    future. You should be given the option of chosing the size of the normal
    "recorder" functions on the screen. So when you can't "press" the normal
    small switch's you could set the camcorder to cover the screen with large
    transparent switch's which even a gloved finger could "press".
     
    John Russell, Mar 3, 2005
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  11. Jon Pitt

    John Russell Guest

    But wouldn't those with "access" problems i.e. with the camera strapped to
    their heads, control the camara via a lanc remote?
     
    John Russell, Mar 3, 2005
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <4226d87f$>, John Russell
    As I mentioned in another thread, I'd recommend using a stylus. I picked
    up a nice combined red/black/stylus pen for just a few pounds on Ebay
    (search for 'stylus').

    I'd also suggest using an LCD protector - a very thin semi-adhesive
    film. Jessops do one for a little over £3 (there are three in the pack)
    and are large enough to be cut down for any make/model camcorder..
    I can see an argument for a docking station. When capturing to my PC,
    all the controls are on one side of the camcorder, and the firewire (and
    all other connections with the exception of power) on the other. I soon
    started to get concerned about the possibility of damaging the firewire
    socket on the camcorder. I spent some time in designing and making an
    "editing stand" that supports the camcorder at an ergonomic angle, all
    controls visible, with the firewire outlet on the reverse, but above the
    desk.
    Though I concede that a wide-angle lens is one of the best and useful
    accessories, you don't actually need one to benefit from shooting
    wide-screen if your camcorder has it.
    I suppose you could argue that they should include a firewire cable (and
    perhaps a firewire card). However, I think I'd dispute that most
    wide-screen TVs come with S-video.
     
    Tony Morgan, Mar 3, 2005
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  13. Jon Pitt

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <>, John Russell
    We have to remember that some camcorder makers (notably Canon and Sony)
    have large digital still camera markets, and they're not going to
    compete between commercial divisions.

    Since most digital cameras offer MPEG-1 video, your could argue 'why not
    provide DV video in digital still cameras?'.

    And there's another argument that higher Mega-px camcorders would
    require larger and more expensive memory sticks (or memory cards).
     
    Tony Morgan, Mar 3, 2005
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    John Russell Guest

    Memory is always getting quicker, bigger and cheaper.

    You can get a sony 256mb Duo for £29. That would store about 150 pics from a
    3 mpixel CCD camera. Crumps I would have to spend more than that on film and
    processing to get 150 pics via my SLR.
     
    John Russell, Mar 3, 2005
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  15. Jon Pitt

    Tony Morgan Guest

    I'd dispute that John. I've still got my TRV30 with push-buttons which,
    when used with the jog/shuttle wheel give virtually the same
    functionality as my TRV80 with the touch screen. They're all located on
    the camcorder body underneath the LCD. The only additional features that
    the TRV80 has are (apart from the touch-screen itself) the spot focus
    (which couldn't be implemented without touch screen) and the manual
    exposure control. Oh, and Bluetooth of course - which is a complete
    waste of time).
    Being right-handed, my objection to the touch-screen (now I'm getting
    used to it) is that it's on the wrong side of the camcorder. Far more
    ergonomically comfortable to hold the camcorder in the left hand and
    poke around the screen with the right-hand.

    I might mention that I used to use a pencil's eraser to poke the buttons
    on the TRV30. But most shooting options could be set/adjusted using the
    jog/shuttle wheel which was conveniently placed for the left-hand thumb
    on my TRV30. But now, on my touch-screen TRV80 I use a stylus to poke
    around the LCD to set/control functions and facilities.
     
    Tony Morgan, Mar 3, 2005
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  16. Jon Pitt

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <4226ea46$>, John Russell

    Snipped...
    I'd speculate that such users wouldn't have the time (or inclination) to
    do little other than press the 'record' button. I'd be inclined to
    switch the thing on in the aircraft and switch it off after hitting the
    ground (with or without deployed parachute). I hardly think that they'd
    be plummeting towards terra firma for more than an hour at a time (or an
    hour-and-a-half on LP) :) A sort of skydivers's crash recorder :)
     
    Tony Morgan, Mar 3, 2005
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    John Russell Guest

    I can see an argument for a docking station. When capturing to my PC, all
    You risk damaging the power lead socket having to remove it "before"
    undocking the camera every time you want to swap films. I just spent an
    afternoon transferring 10 tapes to the PC. I could do that without
    unplugging anything when the leads plugged in the camera!


    Using widescreen makes you want to "Frame" the image for widescreen. It's
    this which makes you realise that the 40+ equivalent 35mm lens is too
    narrow. Anyone taking landscape or building photographs would reach for a
    20-28mm lens.
    There hidden under the flap at the front. I hav'nt seen a single TV with
    front AV input's without s-video, and most widescreen sets come with front
    inputs.

    As far as the rest of the world is concerend RGB is not "the" input of
    choice. S-video is! Just look at all those expensive AV amps with switchable
    s-video sockets. My panny has a crap over saturated RGB input which is only
    any good for an old fashioned ping-pong game device. But it's s-video input
    is superb, much better than any I've seen on "european" designed sets.
     
    John Russell, Mar 3, 2005
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  18. Jon Pitt

    Alex Busby Guest

    Just for info guy's

    I have my HC30E set to easy cam as I have found this gives me the best
    results. I check the focus and zoom prior to putting my helmet on 5 min
    before leaving the plane. I have a Lanc remote called a Cam Eye which as
    well as offering a remote record button, gives me an LED that shows that the
    camera is on and either Recording or that there is a power/tape problem.

    If your interested I can post some of my footage for you to check out.

    Buzz
     
    Alex Busby, Mar 4, 2005
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    Wally Guest

    How removable are these, and do they leave any residue?
     
    Wally, Mar 5, 2005
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  20. Jon Pitt

    Alex Busby Guest

    Snipped...
    Skydivers know why the birds sing

    Of course god meant us to fly thats why he gave us the ability to invent
    aircraft and parachutes.

    Buzz
     
    Alex Busby, Mar 5, 2005
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