Sony or Canon

Discussion in 'Sony' started by Samantha Booth, Dec 9, 2008.

  1. Samantha Booth

    J. Clarke Guest

    How can something with no lens have a lens?
     
    J. Clarke, Dec 10, 2008
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  2. Samantha Booth

    DRS Guest

    [...]
    Look for the "18-55 IS" not the "18-55". The "IS" is very important. It is
    a much better lens and costs only a little more. You can get better lenses
    that the 18-55 IS but it's a decent kit lens.
     
    DRS, Dec 10, 2008
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  3. Samantha Booth, Dec 10, 2008
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  4. Samantha Booth

    Bill Guest


    Samantha,

    My $.02 worth - I moved up to a DSLR about 2 years ago and chose the
    Canon 30D and have been extremely happy with that choice. Over the
    years, I previously shot with film SLR's and point and shoots as well
    as digital point and shoots.

    I seriously tried to find a point and shoot that would come close to a
    DSLR in low light action situations and failed. True, that in ideal
    conditions, the p&s and dslr are both capable of producing excellent
    4x6 prints, but under adverse conditions the dslr shines.

    If you are looking for a camera to take better snapshots under normal
    conditions and print 4x6 photos, don't bother. If you want to advance
    your skills and move beyond snapshots, by all means move up to a dslr.

    I would suggest either the entry Level Nikon or the Canon XSi. Both
    are very capable cameras and have a wide variety of lenses and
    accesories to choose from. Another advantage is that when you're
    ready and if you choose to save a little money, there are a lot of
    high quality used lenses available for both.

    Finally, do a little more research. One thing is to go to
    dprewiew.com and look at the side by side comparisons and determine
    which features mean the most to you. Another is to go out and handle
    your potential choices and see if on "just feels right" to you.

    I personally would avoid Sony. In the last few years they have shown
    that their quality control is in the pits - faulty sensors, exploding
    batteries, etc. as well as loading their customers with rootkits.

    Bill
     
    Bill, Dec 10, 2008
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  5. "David J Taylor"
    Thanks David

    Its all very confusing for me with all the tech jargon I don't understand
    ISO's etc. When you say it should be at least as good as my G9, I know the
    G9 to be a good camera but is there a possibility the Canon 450d isn't as
    good as the G9? Sorry David its confused me that is all when you said at
    least as good. I am buying a DSLR in a hope the shots will be much better,
    if they are only going to be as good as the G9 is there much point in
    upgrading at all?
     
    Samantha Booth, Dec 10, 2008
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  6. Samantha,
    Let me see if I can help. You seem to think that buying a DSLR will
    improve your photographs. It's unlikely that the photos from the DSLR
    would be any worse that from the G9, but you need to be aware that to
    improve the quality may require some learning on your part. At a
    certain level of photography, improvements require taking the camera off
    auto mode and using it in manual mode.. For example, if you are taking
    closeups of flowers and the flower is out of focus and the background
    is in focus, that may be fixable by manual focusing. Likewise, if the
    sunset is brighter than it looked then you may want to set aperture and
    shutter speed in manual mode.

    Depending on your needs a DSLR can provide improvements, but it is not
    just the camera. You don't indicate what your dissatisfaction is,
    therefor it is hard for the newsgroup to help. Some here will tell you
    a DSLR is absolutely necessary and others will say a P&S is better. My
    suggestion is to try to find a 40 year old book on Photography that
    describes the the relationship between asa(iso), aperture, and shutter
    speed. Your local library or a photo club can help. What I have seen
    is that there is a point where basic knowledge is required. Buying a
    better, more capable, camera provides little additional benefit.

    Most of the information given to you here is accurate, but without the
    basic knowledge it is just jibberish. If you can, try again by
    describing issues you are currently having that leads you to believe you
    need a new camera.

    Best wishes,
    Clair
     
    Clair Johnston, Dec 10, 2008
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  7. Is this a good deal on eBay

    Item 110324350959
     
    Samantha Booth, Dec 11, 2008
    #27
  8. OK Thanks just getting a general feel for the prices

    thanks again
     
    Samantha Booth, Dec 11, 2008
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  9. Samantha Booth

    Bill Guest

    Excuse me. I didn't mean to imply that larger prints weren't
    possible, but most (maybe not you) p&s shooters have there photos
    printed 4x6 at Wal-Mart or their local equivalent.

    I don't care what you claim, there are situations where p&s cameras
    won't cut it no matter how talented you are. Otherwise, nearly ALL of
    the professionals would be using p&s cameras - or do you think all
    photographers except yourself are inept or stupid?
     
    Bill, Dec 11, 2008
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  10. Samantha Booth

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    It's amazing how long this p&s vs. DSLR debate has hung around...

    It seems to me most photographers realize that a P&S camera beats out the
    DSLR in portability and cost while the DSLR wins when it comes to overall
    quality and versatility...

    Obviously, each photographer has to choose his or her camera on the merits
    of his / her own needs / situation: not everyone can afford the financial
    cost of the DSLR or has the knowledge / experience to operate one
    comfortably, not everyone wants an image so crisp and clear it can be blown
    up to poster size...

    On the flip side, some people are total perfectionists and nothing short of
    the ultimate image will do...

    Why is it that some people can't seem to understand that camera variations
    exist because people are different, not wrong?

    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Dec 12, 2008
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  11. Samantha Booth

    ASAAR Guest

    How can you be so clueless? That's NOT a bogus argument if the
    P&S pictures are good enough for the person making that statement.
    You'd have a valid point to make if you were rebutting "I can always
    get the best possible pictures with a P&S, so who needs a DSLR",
    which really is a bogus argument. You could similarly rebut the
    argument that "Pictures that are good enough for me are good enough
    for everyone else." That would also be a bogus argument, but the
    one that you used in your example is perfectly valid.
     
    ASAAR, Dec 12, 2008
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  12. Samantha Booth

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    Why does it need to be debunked? If I'm happy with a P&S and you're not,
    why do you care what camera I use?

    Let's say there is a little old granny who functions with only 30% of your
    vision, and she wants a camera to take pics of her grand-kids to show her
    friends, who also function on about 30% of your vision.

    Now, you are going to notice tons of issues with her pics, but she can't see
    any problems. Her pics show her kids. And, when she shows the shots to her
    friends, they oooh and aaah over them appropriately.

    Now, you are revolted by her masterpieces, but she never shows them to you
    and is happy with her camera. And, of course, her camera was affordable on
    her fixed income.

    What gives you the right to tell her she's going about taking pics all
    wrong?

    You like your stuff; she likes hers. "Everything is beautiful..."

    And, if you can't handle the DSLR comfortably, you'll probably miss even
    more of those opportunities than if you have a P&S you like and are willing
    to use...
     
    Dudley Hanks, Dec 12, 2008
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  13. Samantha Booth

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    When the OP said that the rationale for purchasing a P&S needs to be
    debunked...

    This implies that there is something wrong with the way P&S shooters are
    taking pictures...

    Conversely, after "debunking," everyone will see the light and take pictures
    "correctly" -- ie. with a DSLR.

    Anyone who knows anything about me knows I haven't invented this scenario;
    on the contrary, I tend to just bring it to light...

    Do you actually think that only people with good vision take pictures?

    Is not poor vision a normal progression of the human condition? And, are
    not seniors stereotypically cast as individuals who enjoy taking pics of
    their grand kids and showing them to everybody they meet? I haven't
    invented anything. I am just using a real world situation to illustrate
    that not everybody is going to want a DSLR. Sales figures will back me up
    when I assert that more people are content with P&S cameras than with the
    more expensive and complex reflex variant.

    There is more to comfort than the simple matter of setting a camera to auto
    and pressing the shutter release...

    If the camera is too heavy, if it can't be put in a pocket for easy access,
    if it doesn't fit the hand according to personal preference, if the menu
    system is too confusing or the tactile layout of the buttons and switches
    awkward, these are all things which can impact a person's comfort level.
    The point is that if someone likes a P&S camera, for whatever reason, they
    will be more likely to use it than they will be to use a higher quality
    camera which is less useable.

    For you, yeah. But, you don't speak for everyone in every situation.

    The only thing increased DSLR sales is proof of is that lowering the cost of
    the DSLR eliminates an objection many people have about using these cameras;
    but, it isn't the only objection. Even if you could buy a DSLR for $150,
    I'd bet that P&S sales would still be higher than DSLR sales, simply because
    you can't put a DSLR in your pocket.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah...

    Face it, there are people out there who prefer something different than what
    you like. That doesn't make them wrong, just human.

    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Dec 12, 2008
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  14. Samantha Booth

    ASAAR Guest

    Good luck. That troll refuses to even identify the P&S cameras
    that he "says" that he uses.
     
    ASAAR, Dec 12, 2008
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  15. How true.

    Hello, Dudley; nice to see you back.

    We have a pest here that's making normally merely testy replies into
    truculent ones, so the notion that both Compact Cameras and DSLRs have
    their rightful places in the real world has become even more obscured.

    This pest changes his posting handle many times a day.

    Still others just like arguing, nothing new there.
     
    John McWilliams, Dec 13, 2008
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  16. Samantha Booth

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    Hey, John, it's great to be back on the net.

    I've been busy setting up and training with a talking GPS system which I
    know is going to get me into a lot of trouble... :)

    But, now that I know how to use it, I hope to get a better variety of shots,
    from the craziest places I can navigate to.

    Regarding the trolls, I know what you mean. I just find it interesting how
    long this issue has hung around. Of all the things to focus on, I'd think
    they could find something a bit more controversial than a simple matter of
    P&S vs. DSLR's... although it is SLIGHTLY more fascinating than the old
    Canon vs. Nikon threads...
    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Dec 13, 2008
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  17. i actually use my G9 all the time and think I have got the the end of its
    capabilities. While I have taken some excellent shots with it I would like
    to have a go at more lenses and experiment a little more hence the
    questions.
     
    Samantha Booth, Dec 13, 2008
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  18. Samantha Booth

    DRS Guest

    [...]/
    In your first post you said you are a "beginner to camera [sic]". In
    another post you said, "Its all very confusing for me with all the tech
    jargon I don't understand ISO's etc."

    If those statements are true you have barely scratched the surface of the
    G9's capabilities. It is a very sophisticated compact. That DSLRs have
    advantages over compacts in certain situations has been discussed to death
    in here, and it is possible you may benefit from them if you had one. But I
    will bet your G9 can do things you don't even know about much less have
    exhausted.
     
    DRS, Dec 15, 2008
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  19. Yes this may be true. But I have exhausted what I want to do on my G9 and
    what I can do with it. While I appreciate I am a beginner with DSLR I feel I
    have hit my limit with the G9 of where "I" want to go with it. I don't fully
    understand what ISO stands for etc and all this jargon confused me but there
    again when I go on PC forums and they speak in jargon that confuses me also
    but nonetheless I can do more than most on PC of the folk I know. Just
    because I don't understand the jargon doesn't mean I cannot do it. I have
    always had problems reading and understanding problems with my Aspergers but
    I can Do and do do without knowing the jargon, sorry it does sound confusing
    when I read it back.
     
    Samantha Booth, Dec 15, 2008
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