Sony tells DSLR shooters they're idiots

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Alfred Molon, Nov 24, 2012.

  1. Alfred Molon

    Alfred Molon Guest

    Alfred Molon, Nov 24, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    The advert is pretty crass. Notice that all the "victims" of this jerk
    are using Canon and Nikon cameras?

    It reminds me of the pitch by Olympus for the PEN EP-1 four-thirds
    camera. The ads had Kevin Spacey talking about DSLR's and all the gear
    and that "I don't want to be that guy." Much more subtle than what Sony
    is doing with this NEX advert.

    Maybe Sony _really_ want to get away from DSLRs.

    That said, during the photowalk in Montreal I did chat with a
    photographer (not in the photowalk) who asked why his Sekonic meter
    wasn't giving him the same reading as his camera. I sorted him out
    (maybe - he wanted the camera and meter to agree exactly - wasn't going
    to happen except by chance) but found that whoever taught him about
    exposure compensation did it from the point of view of using aperture or
    speed priority rather than from manual settings.

    Maybe I'm old fashioned but if you're teaching exposure the baseline
    should be manual, not semi-auto modes.
     
    Alan Browne, Nov 24, 2012
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  3. I think they are right of course.

    But a miracle has happened in the amateur realm. For a while now,
    professionals have been in competition with Uncle Harry with his big DSLR at
    weddings. He is always there, and shooting all of your poses and making his
    own wedding album and taking people's time and attention away from you.

    Well, miracle of miracles, nowadays they are all shooting everything with
    their phones! No more competition on image quality at least. And the people
    will pay a lot less attention to the amateur with the phone than the
    interloper with the Nikon. Hallelulia!

    Gary Eickmeier
     
    Gary Eickmeier, Nov 24, 2012
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    Alfred Molon Guest

    Of course. Would Sony make fun of its own customers?

    Well, the future is mirrorless anyway, i.e. the swinging mirror is a
    dying design. That's why Nikon and Canon have introduced their own
    mirrorless line. My brother plans to sell his Nikon D90 and keep only
    the Canon G1X mirrorless.
     
    Alfred Molon, Nov 24, 2012
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    Pat McGroyn Guest

    He should probably wait for the next version of the G1X. The current
    one, while pretty good, was rush released. There is a lot of room for
    improvement. When that happens I might buy it as well-even though the
    Sony RX100 is pretty damn good.
     
    Pat McGroyn, Nov 24, 2012
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    Bowser Guest

    Hell, when I was first shooting an SLR my "meter" was the little sheet
    of paper tha came with the film.
     
    Bowser, Nov 24, 2012
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    Bowser Guest

    Pretty funny. I recently got an iPhone 5, and, well, the camera sucks
    unless conditions are optimal. And yes, fringing can be an issue to a
    great degree.

    I'll stick with a real camera.
     
    Bowser, Nov 24, 2012
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  8. Alfred Molon

    Alfred Molon Guest

    He already bought one a few months ago.
     
    Alfred Molon, Nov 24, 2012
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    Pat McGroyn Guest

    It is a good camera for a first edition. Hope he is enjoying it. I am
    looking forward to an improved second version. Canon really has this
    market all to themselves considering Nikon did not make the P7700 with
    the APS-C sensor and Sony is using the 1" sensor.
     
    Pat McGroyn, Nov 24, 2012
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  10. That's wishful thinking. A pro wedding shooter is just as likely to
    find that one or more of the wedding guests have 'better' DSLRs than
    he/she does.

    On one hand, many working photographers don't generate enough income
    from photography to buy the latest equipment, instead having to make
    do with items that are anything up to 3 years old. On the other hand,
    amateurs with disposable incomes higher than a working photographer
    could dream of can easily buy the latest DSLR and lenses.

    What saves the pro shooter is that very few amateurs have the faintest
    idea how to shoot good images, something that is confirmed here on a
    regular, monthly basis by the entries to the Shoot-In.
     
    Anthony Polson, Nov 24, 2012
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    Eric Stevens, Nov 24, 2012
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  12. Technical things? If so, you are probably wasting your time.

    Someone with artistic ability can learn enough about the technical
    aspects of photography to produce memorable images in a relatively
    short time.

    Someone with a technical background can learn as much as they want
    about the technical aspects of photography but still not have a clue
    about how to produce an image that catches the eye, makes an
    impression, amuses, pleases or shocks someone.

    The fundamental problem is that the person with a technical background
    thinks that all they need to learn about "art" is how to apply some
    arbitrary rules of composition. :)
     
    Anthony Polson, Nov 24, 2012
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    George Kerby Guest

    Mine was the "Ÿ16 Rule"...
     
    George Kerby, Nov 24, 2012
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    nick c Guest

    That is a valid statement; leastwise, I most certainly do indeed agree,
    as far as that goes. However, artistic abilities may be enhanced through
    the application of the technical aspects provided in the equipment being
    used to produce photographic artistic imaging.

    I tend to think most if not many photographers have little to no
    picturesque artistic talent outside the photographic realm of using
    tried-and-true methods to produce a graphic image.
    The "arbitrary rules of composition" have not been often discussed or
    published without first gaining better than average validity in their
    application. They may not be considered as axioms but they most
    certainly qualify to be considered as necessary assumptions.

    Light ..... is one of the most important features in a composition. Type
    of lighting and/or light intensity may affect a composition in a
    pleasing manner or in a manner of rejection. One might even say, without
    light there is no art for art must have light to be appreciated.
    Technically, we attempt to learn as much about light as we do about the
    technical aspects of the equipment we use to produce a photographic
    image. Angularity is another technical aspect that enters into the
    subject of photographic imaging. In the field of photography, a better
    than working technical knowledge of light, equipment, and angularity
    will often enhance the application of the "arbitrary rules of
    composition." The application of all is what leads to artistic
    embellishments. Outside of studio set-ups, when in the field, the
    subject matter of interest is already being supplied. The rest is up to
    the all-round working knowledge of the photographer as well as the
    environmental conditions which may be facing the photographer.


    Nick
     
    nick c, Nov 25, 2012
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    Alan Browne Guest

    f/16 x 1/125 - sunny
    f/11 x 1/125 - part cloudy
    f/8 x 1/125 - cloudy

    etc.. ...

    As a kid that's all I needed....
     
    Alan Browne, Nov 25, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    On 11/24/2012 7:34 PM, nick c wrote:

    The so called rules are starting points. Strict adherence would classify
    photography as a craft, not an art.
     
    PeterN, Nov 25, 2012
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    I think you are oversimplifying things. I'm not seeking the
    combination of menu settings that turn me into a master photographer.
    I'm exploring the things that the often strange things that the
    various menu settings enable me to do.
    You have described a person without either visual imagination or
    creativity. It has nothing to with whether or not they have a
    technical background.
     
    Eric Stevens, Nov 25, 2012
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    Mort Guest

    When I started, Kodachrome was ASA 10, and we used a small circular
    cardboard exposure guide, e.g. sunny and no clouds = 1/60th at f 6.3.
    That was not too successful, and I was pleased when the Weston meter
    first was available, especially with the dome attachment for incident
    readings = good for faces.

    Today, I meet many people with fancy DSLR cameras who never heard of an
    f stop or a shutter speed. They use them as Ph.D. cameras, = Push here
    Dummy.

    Mort Linder
     
    Mort, Nov 25, 2012
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  19. That is quite an understatement!

    I'll admit that some G1X photos are impressive. An enlarged face in a
    group can be quite sharp when everything goes right. "Good" photos are
    better than those from my old G11.

    The most serious problem I find is that the closest point the G1X will
    focus at maximum zoom, is the optimum point to make a portrait. At some
    critical point it may show a face in focus when partially depressing the
    shutter release, but jumps focus to the background when completely
    pressing the button.

    Also frustrating is the slow response of the shutter. Many times I've
    had people move out of the frame before it reacted.

    I see Canon released a G15 in time for holiday shopping. I doubt it is
    the next version of the G1X, because of its relatively low price.

    Please forgive me for hijacking the thread!

    Fred
     
    Fred McKenzie, Nov 25, 2012
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    RichA Guest

    Sony and Panasonic just had their debt downgraded to junk status. I
    don't see them as mind-readers of the public.
     
    RichA, Nov 25, 2012
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