SONY Unveils 2 New AVCHD High Definition Camcorders!

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    PC WORLD magazine offers more detail about the DVD model here:

    "In the camera's highest resolution recording mode, about 27 minutes of
    video can be stored on one disc."

    I would assume they're talking about 27 minutes of 1080i.

    I suppose you could fit more 720p on the same disc.

    It would be nice to see some official specifications from SONY.

    Jerry Jones
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    According to the following SONY press release page, the following
    software developers have made commitments to the H.264/AVCHD format:

    Non-liner Editing Software Suppliers

    - Adobe Systems Incorporated
    - CyberLink Corporation
    - InterVideo, Inc.
    - Nero AG
    - Sonic Solutions
    - Sony Media Software
    - Ulead Systems, Inc.

    I suspect SONY VEGAS will support AVCHD in the same way that it has
    supported HDV in the past, namely, by using an intermediate codec.

    ULEAD's approach has been to create NLEs that natively edit long GOP
    MPEG file formats, in addition to the traditional DV .avi file format:

    ULEAD's approach allows the user to get past the limitations of weak PC
    processors by converting HDV to low resolution proxy files that later
    link to the full resolution files upon output; it works.

    "Beyond the leading HDV solutions we already have, Ulead is also very
    active in the development of other HD-related standards and formats,
    such as HD-DVD, Blu-ray Disc, and H.264."

    "Ulead HD DVD technology has already been licensed for use in producing
    Hollywood HD content."

    "One barrier to acceptance of consumer HD production has been the
    perceived complexity of the technology."

    "Ulead, however, has a long history of taking the complicated and
    making it simple for consumers."

    I am QUITE CURIOUS to find out how Ulead plans to resolve the H.264
    high definition editing question.

    Jerry Jones
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    That is an interesting question especially with the number
    of spin-off formats for both the Main and High Profiles. It
    should be do able though, most of the components of the AVC
    implementation are just that, separate components added to
    H264. They seem to retain a certain amount of independence
    and can be modified without impacting the other functions,
    much. Things like; use of an adaptive method of providing "B"
    frames or B to B referencing, could make creating an editing
    tool real interesting.

    Ken Maltby, Jul 19, 2006
  9. Interesting. Another codec to edit with.
    Wonder how that will hold with moving objects.
    Pity the camera's are again "only" 1440x1080.
    But that's double of what we have with DVCAM.

    Martin Heffels, Jul 20, 2006
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    Sounds like consumer crap to me. Note the reference in the Sony press
    release to "families with high definition televisions."
    PTravel, Jul 20, 2006
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    With the contempt you always show for consumers, why are
    you spending so much time in "" ? There are
    plenty of NGs for the Professional video types. If you have so
    little interest in cameras and techniques (like MPEG editing) that
    are suited to "lowly consumers"; why are you hanging around?

    These new HD cameras could be just the thing for amateur and
    home movie making, to move into broadcast quality video
    production. In fact it may be that the summer vacation movie
    could look better than what we are seeing from the Israeli border.

    Ken Maltby, Jul 20, 2006
  12. The resolution might be better, but a camera with a better resolution
    doesn't mean you get better looking movies of the "amateur"!

    Martin Heffels, Jul 20, 2006
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    1. I don't show contempt for consumers. I have contempt for manufacturers
    who push form over substance. Contemporary consumer camcorders are big on
    gimmicks and gadgets, but poor on video quality -- the Hi8 consumer-line
    camcorder I bought 12 years ago produces better video under worse conditions
    than virtually all consumer (as opposed to prosumer) camcorders today.
    Camera manufacturers used to produce a range of consumer gear, from low end,
    that produced low- to moderate quality video, to high-end that produced
    high-quality video. Now, "high end" consumer means only "more gimmicks."

    2. is for . . . desktop video. That isn't limited to
    low-end, low-quality consumer gear.

    I'm not a professional. I'm strictly an amateur.
    MPEG editing is one aspect of desktop video and consumer video. It is not
    the only aspect, nor is it even the predominant aspect. Why do you think
    entry-level editing programs like Microsoft Movie, Premiere Elements, Video
    Studio, and Studio 10, that do not handle mpeg, vastly out number the two or
    three standard-defintion mpeg editors like Womble?

    As I've told you many, many, many times, it is important to select the right
    tool for the right job. I have nothing against mpeg editors or mpeg -- it's
    fine for very specific purposes, and I recommend it for that. However, as
    you don't seem to understand, it is most decidedly not fine for others --
    for that, other tools, including D-25, DV codecs and other editing software
    is required. You think mpeg is the solution for everything.
    These new HD cameras, like the other consumer digital cameras that preceded
    them, are going to have lousy low-light performance and degraded video
    because of Sony's focus on such unnecessary gimmicks as simultaneous still
    It won't look better unless and until the manufactures start producing
    affordable 3-ccd machines (even more important for high-def) with large,
    lower-density sensors that minimize artifacts and provide good low-light
    performance. Do you think that even the least-technically-minded consumer
    who buys a camcorder to shoot the kids' birthday parties wants the dark,
    grainy garbage they get when they shoot indoors in average lighting?
    PTravel, Jul 21, 2006
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