Sony Vegas Pro 9 is now available for trial downloads

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by David Ruether, May 11, 2009.

  1. Sony Vegas Pro 9 is now available for a 30-day trial download.
    One disappointment evident from a quick look is that the maximum
    exportable data rate for AVCHD files is still 16 Mbps - and most
    AVCHD cameras shoot "lowly" 17 Mbps files, and the better ones
    can shoot at a 24 Mbps data rate. Unless I'm missing something,
    Vegas doesn't look like a good program to use for editing AVCHD
    (Corel's latest, VideoStudio Pro X2, may be able to handle the higher
    data rate files - but I don't know if it can use "Smart Rendering" with
    them, a VERY useful feature present in both Vegas and VideoStudio
    when editing HDV...).
    I guess I will stick with Vegas Pro 8C for now. It works well for
    me with HDV, Premiere is not very good with HDV, and I dislike
    working with VideoStudio due to its interface - and AVCHD is yet
    another can of worms I don't wish to deal with now...
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, May 11, 2009
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  2. David Ruether

    Smarty Guest


    Not true !
     
    Smarty, May 15, 2009
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  3. 'Tis too! Nyahhhh! 8^)
    See my posts below for more on this limitation of Vegas Pro 9 when
    handling 24 Mbps AVCHD files...
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, May 15, 2009
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  4. David Ruether

    Smarty Guest



    David,

    Like each and every program ever released for editing which offers "smart
    rendering", Vegas 9 only can do so when frames do not change.

    It doesn't take Albert Einstein to understand that when frames change, the
    frames need to be re-rendered.

    And yes, it is indeed true, that Vegas 9, when forced to re-render, does not
    (yet) have the ability to render to a 24 Mbit/sec format.

    This is NOT what you said however, and your statement that "the maximum
    exportable data rate for AVCHD files is still 16 Mbps..." is very misleading
    and shows a very incomplete understanding.

    Just as your statement suggesting that Vegas does not handle AVCHD properly
    or smoothly.

    I have older machines here in my lab which cannot handle HDV properly. I
    have never made the statement that "Vegas can't handle HDV properly or
    smoothly" since they fail to run well on my older Pentiums.

    You bring an unusual mix of misleading and erroneous comments to the
    discussion of AVCHD, and I for one find it revolting to read them and assume
    others will take them seriously.

    I did indeed plonk you on my personal machine, but saw your reply to my post
    and then your earlier, factual trainwreck post concerning Vegas 9 when
    viewing this newsgroup from one of my student machines. I am not seeing your
    posts otherwise, and always regret it when I do.

    With what I can assume is only the very best of intentions, you somehow
    manage to mangle AVCHD facts and opinions into quite a mish-mash.

    Had I only read your original post, I and others would be led to believe
    that Vegas 9 does not handle 24 Mbits/sec, does not allow export of 24
    Mbits/sec, and does not handle AVCHD well. These three "facts"/opinions were
    wrong, are wrong, and no amount of back-pedaling on your part will make them
    less wrong.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, May 16, 2009
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  5. ONLY when ABSOLUTELY NOTHING has been changed in ANY of
    the footage on the timeline that is exported into a file, and IN THAT CASE
    ONLY, Vegas 9 will not only export a 24 Mbps file (High profile), but it
    will do it using "Smart Remdering" - but that functionality doesn't appear to
    me, at least, to be very useful for editing video. Otherwise, if ANY footage
    is changed on the timeline, export of it as 16 Mbps (Main profile) is forced
    by the program, not what we want. To confirm this again yesterday, I
    took the same 40 second edited stretch of timeline with the material in it
    described above, and rather than using a "Ctrl + M" export (limited to
    16 Mbps max in the available selections), I used "Render as", and while
    there is a 24 Mbps selection choice available, the render time, lack of
    use of "Smart Rendering", resulting file size, and appearance of the
    resulting file were identical to the 16 Mbps exported file (if it walks like
    a duck, and talks like a duck...;-). I also tried exporting the same 40
    seconds as a Blu-ray file (30 Bps max, 25 Mbps ave, 25 Mbps min,
    2 pass), and that took 2/3 the time it took to export the other two files,
    but I could then not import the file into the project for checking it
    against the others. As someone pointed out in response to my original
    post on the Sony Vegas Forum, "I'm not sure Vegas WILL ever work
    at that bit rate. That's HIGH profile avchd (to a max of 24Mb/s) that
    Panasonic uses, while Sony has made it pretty clear that they have no
    interest in this profile. Sony Cameras operate on MAIN profile avchd
    (which has a max bitrate of 17Mb/s) and as can be seen in Vegas the
    max setting for avchd is 16Mb/s. I think Sony's philosophy is pretty
    clear on this subject (so far anyway) and that is that avchd is strictly a
    consumer level format and should be operated at main profile levels."
    And another, "You can either throw that (24 Mbps AVCHD) on the
    timeline as it is or convert it over to cineform for easier editing if you
    need... but you should render that out as mpeg2 at 1920x1080 at a vbr
    bitrate of 20/25/30 (there is a blu ray template already made and outputs
    a M2V for dvda). You'll only get about 1:45:00 on a blu ray disk but then
    the quality will be a hell of a lot better than rendering out as avc at 16Mb/s."
    Too bad that Vegas 9 still cannot properly handle 24 Mbps AVCHD...
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, May 16, 2009
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  6. Well, to confuse the issue further (while trying to clarify it with some simple
    tests I was going to suggest...), this morning I took only original 24 Mbps 60i
    footage and placed it in a new project. I then tried to duplicate what I had
    done yesterday, but I was unable to export using "Smart Rendering" or to
    export using "Render as" with the indicated "High profile" set at 24 Mbps (it
    maxed out today at 20 Mbps using the custom settings - not 24 Mbps), but
    as before, using Ctrl + M, the file could be exported at a maximum data rate
    of 16 Mbps even though the profile type was listed as "High". And as before,
    a 25 Mbps (ave) Blu-ray file could be made - but then it could not be used
    within the project. I think I will give up on this soon... 8^) Or, possibly
    "Smarty" will deign to spell out a procedure for us whereby it is possible and
    practical to export edited 24 Mbps *AVCHD* files from the Vegas Pro 9
    timeline - and it would be nice if this process were to include "Smart
    Rendering". I won't hold my breath, though, until it appears...8^)
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, May 16, 2009
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  7. David Ruether

    mikekujbida Guest


    There's only one place to download the official version and that's the
    Sony site.
    Downloads from anywhere else may be corrupted in a variety of ways.

    Mike
     
    mikekujbida, May 26, 2009
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  8. David Ruether

    Smarty Guest


    Are you logged on as an Administrator?

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, May 26, 2009
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  9. David Ruether

    mikekujbida Guest


    Smarty, if he installed a copy that he found "lying by the side of the
    road", there's a very good chance that his computer is corrupted/infected.
    This is a well-known issue with bootleg copies of Vegas.

    Mike
     
    mikekujbida, May 26, 2009
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  10. "mikekujbida" wrote ...
    I have no sympathy for people who download unauthorized/illegal
    content (whether software or program material). I think it is street
    justice that they get infected. Couldn't happen to a more worthy
    pirate.
     
    Richard Crowley, May 26, 2009
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  11. David Ruether

    Smarty Guest


    Mike,

    I do NOT in any way support piracy or use of software without payment, but I
    think this request may be legit and reacted accordingly. To be more
    specific, there are several download sites I immediately found for the trial
    version of Vegas 9, among them very reputable sources such as Softpedia,
    Tucows, PC World, etc. They all offer the trial version or links to the Sony
    website for the trial.

    This is a trial version of the product. I don't understand the "logic" of
    calling it a "bootleg". The trial is freely distributed and requires no
    serial number or other keygen, crack, etc.

    I might have missed something here, and if so, please clarify. My apologies
    if I have somehow enabled a thief to install the trial version, but it was
    not my motive here to facilitate anything wrong or illegal whatsoever.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, May 27, 2009
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  12. David Ruether

    mikekujbida Guest


    Samrty, I don't think oyu missed anything.
    It never occurred to me to get the demo from anyone other than Sony,
    hence my suspicions.
    The OP hasn't replied back yet so, until he does, we can't do anything
    other than make suggestions that may or may not work.

    Mike
     
    mikekujbida, May 27, 2009
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  13. David Ruether

    Smarty Guest


    Thanks for the reply Mike. It's hard to tell what the motives are here, and
    the post was especially unpolished both in content as well as format. Guess
    we will stand by here and see if any further comments or reply from the OP
    occurs.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, May 27, 2009
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  14. I only had to spend a few minutes using it with some HDV footage
    before I ran into a very reproducible defect in which Vegas would
    become unresponsive (indefinitely). After killing it and restarting
    it several times, running into this same symptom via different means,
    I decided it is simply not worth its price. Or worth any price, for
    that matter. This is on a quad-core 3Ghz xtreme intel cpu with 8GB
    ram running 64-bit vista and using a striped RAID-0 array of two
    drives, if anyone cares. And all I was doing was putting some clips
    in the Trimmer and trying to scan across the junction between 2. I
    hadn't even started to think about applying any FX or transitions.

    I've tried Premier for SD (DV) but not for HDV yet. I could figure
    out how to work it ok. Vegas had some interesting features and some
    quirks, but I couldn't get it to work long enough to get a feel for
    it. I think I'll try Edius next.
     
    Keith W. Blackwell, Jun 9, 2009
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  15. "Keith W. Blackwell" wrote ...
    Have you tried it on an established and stable OS (like XP?)
    And my employer doesn't run Vista on any of its 50,000+ client
    systems because of these kinds of problems. We have real business
    to conduct. Microsoft can do their own compatibility testing.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jun 9, 2009
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  16. I didn't realize that. Perhaps I should try the 32-bit Vegas on my
    64-bit OS.
    Other than this, I have been surprised at how it seems to work reasonably
    well. I mean, aside from annoyances like the fact that Explorer will not allow
    allow me to rename "saved.eclipseproduct.txt" to ".eclipseproduct" and
    it won't let an Administrator perform certain operations like removing
    another user's home directory that no process should have open, and various
    other "permissions" related stupidity, it seems mostly solid so far. I just
    tend to use cygwin for doing tasks that I can't figure out how to do
    otherwise. Then again, to be honest, I haven't really done any real work
    with this Vista system, come to think of it. :-/ I had planned to run XP
    (downgrade from 64-bit Vista), but ... its a long story.
    I could do that, but I was hoping to avoid the kind of time it takes
    to install a different OS just to "try" Vegas. :) But that's one
    more reason to find the time to try Windows 7, I guess.
     
    Keith W. Blackwell, Jun 12, 2009
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  17. I seem to recall trying the trial of version 8.something on my
    XP laptop a while back, and I gave up on it because it kept
    aborting. But not Vegas Pro 9. That laptop isn't fast enough
    to deal with editing video, though.
     
    Keith W. Blackwell, Jun 12, 2009
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