Sony Vegas Time Lapse drag & drop sequence off

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Paul Furman, Sep 25, 2009.

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    I had previously used VirtualDub to assemble time lapse jpeg sequences
    into avi clips that I drag into Vegas (which was terribly slow & awkward
    to drag in jpegs). Now I've upgraded a bit from Movie Studio 8 to
    Platinum 9 and thought I'd try again. It appeared to work better but I
    found the files are not appearing in the correct alphanumerical sequence.

    Part of my reason for this is VirtualDub requires consecutive numbers in
    a perfect set and I've gone through & culled out the set so there are
    gaps and I would need to rename them. Could that be fouling up Vegas?
    This particular set was generated with irfanview batch so the time stamp
    should be sequential. I'd rather not rename as that makes it hard to
    find original frames if I want to tweak something later. I really cannot
    decipher what causes the scrambling, certain parts will move to the
    front from the back at the same breakpoint but will generally be in the
    correct sort order like someone cut the deck of cards once. These come
    in batches of no more than 999 frames, about half that after culling.

    OK I just checked a couple things. The original full set also gets
    messed up, the ones that have a perfect sequence for VirtualDub. The
    culled set, if I sort in IE by date modified, they get jumbled if sorted
    in reverse but look right sorted forward by time. The jumbling in
    reverse is much worse than the single split seen in dropping into vegas.
    I can only see the minutes, no seconds or milliseconds in Vista. If I
    run it through irfanview without any resizing, that fixes it's display
    in the explorer window but vegas still mixes them up.

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    Paul Furman, Sep 25, 2009
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    Well, I discovered this method:
    Project > Import Media
    check the "Open still image sequence" box below, but that will be grayed
    out if it's not a perfect numbered sequence. If it is perfect, that'll
    bring in a nice tidy 1 frame per second unit already compiled into a
    single entity in the media pane.

    For my case, there's a bit more fiddling. I can manually select all the
    files from the dialog box above and that'll bring them into the media
    pane. I could have dragged the jpegs there first instead of dragging
    directly to the time line, that's what messed me up. Then drag them into
    the time line.

    One more detail: I can only get a 2 frame length per still, with project
    settings of 29.97fps NTSC. I did not try a 25 PAL frame rate.

    Options > Preferences > Editing
    New still image length (seconds) = 0.051

    Any smaller number causes flickering black frames to appear.

    Now I render this to a file & re-import. Similar hassle as using
    VirtualDub, actually more hassle but it does allow me to avoid renaming
    and could be used to create various effects like a fade between each
    frame if I wanted to run it slower, etc.

    PS I'm outputting the final as mpeg2 but that gets fouled for this step
    of burning each set of jpegs so I've reverted to uncompressed avi. That
    turns 74MB of jpegs into a 4.3GB file :-( But I can drag that back into
    vegas & render as mpeg2 for a clean 100MB file & delete all the crap
    left over.

    The only real problem remaining is if I want to squish that back to 1
    frame per still image, it doesn't match up perfectly and ends up with
    many frames a semi-transparent fade between two different frames.

    Now, looking closer at that problem, if instead of control dragging the
    edge to stretch it down:

    right-click the clip > properties >
    Playback rate: 2
    AND, this is important:
    Check: Disable resample

    solved!

    OK, one more issue. Changing the playback rate like that does not
    shorten the clip, it just loops, even if I un-check "Loop" so I have to
    manually poke around in the middle to find the breakpoint, split &
    delete the end. This renders out a 50MB mpeg2 .m2t file, perfect, a
    little smaller than the original jpegs but not much.




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    M.L., Sep 25, 2009
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    Mike Kujbida Guest

    Paul, you're going through, IMO, a lot of unnecessary work.
    IrfanView has a Batch Rename feature that works like a charm.
    You just have to make sure that all the images have at least the same
    start name.
    For example, I have a folder of unsorted images on my computer that were
    shot with 4 different digital cameras.
    Some are DSC_####.JPG, some are IMG_####.JPG and some are P#######.JPG
    Windows (and IrfanView) sorts them by name so DSC is first followed by
    IMG and P.
    When I load these into IrfanView and tell it to do a Batch Rename (to a
    different folder please), it does it - and very quickly (5 sec. for 200
    images).
    If your images all have the same beginning but the sequence is missing a
    few numbers, use this feature to correct the numbering and then the
    "Import still image sequence" will work.
    I use this particular feature when I get animation files from programs
    like Lightwave or 3D Studio Max and like it a lot!!!

    Mike
     
    Mike Kujbida, Sep 25, 2009
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    Paul Furman, Sep 26, 2009
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    You're not kidding!!!

    :)

    I could have just done that as a temporary copy set & delete when done,
    then use VirtualDub.

    Yep, I did one set like that, but it was 001_P######.jpg and it didn't
    occur to me Vegas might accept that. VirtualDub won't accept those.

    Hmm, it didn't occur to me to do that way. I used to have a renaming
    shareware, then used thumbsplus or one of those, this time all I could
    find for the job was importing into adobe lightroom which took forever!

    Ah, good to know. Still a bunch of odd hoops to jump through from there
    but maybe the right procedure exists, or it could be my lame movie
    studio platimum version, not a problem with pro...


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    While there are some features Pro has that Platinum doesn't, AFAIK this
    is one that's the same in both.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kujbida, Sep 26, 2009
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    OK Mike, the partial rename was not accepted by my vegas platinum 9 but
    it's worth just renaming a duplicate temporary set with irfanview, then
    Vegas' Import Media menu item works like a charm in a split second, it
    creates a virtual media item named 001-442.jpg at one frame per image so
    no messy extra files, it's all inside the .vf file referencing the
    originals. MUCH cleaner. Hmm, well it's not temporary because it still
    references those but oh well. That cuts out a heck of a lot of steps.


    This still isn't solved. I could always render a file to avoid the
    duplicate set but that's going to be about the same size. I'll probably
    do that with the whole set of raw footage. Ultimately I guess I should
    do all the post-processing in vegas instead of lightroom, though I like
    having a set of plain jpegs to browse - all cropped & corrected. I've
    used lightroom to clone out dust spots in mass, and edited individual
    jpegs to clone out birds & I'm familiar with the controls in lightroom
    so I use that to output a set of HD frames.

    I'm coming at this as a still photographer. I guess that's what the
    super-whammie version of CS photoshop is for, with some video editing
    capabilities... but I hardly even use photoshop now and work mostly in
    lightroom.


    It was nasty big pixelated effect... maybe an isolated random occurrence...


    This renders out a 50MB mpeg2 .m2t file once it's shrunk to 1 frame per
    image.


    This isn't as bad as I thought, the tail end is just the last frame
    repeated. It does have to be manually trimmed though. If I work on this
    stage with individual jpegs on the timeline, I could perhaps work out an
    efficient way of culling bad/boring frames, which is what got me into
    this mess. I was culling out with irfanview and or lightroom, tapping on
    the shortcut keys to down-score, copy or move but with the right ripple
    edit in vegas, that might work just tapping the delete key.





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    My file list looks like this after trying the partial rename idea:

    001_PBF5704.jpg
    002_PBF5706.jpg
    003_PBF5707.jpg
    004_PBF5709.jpg
    005_PBF5718.jpg
    ....

    Vegas still grays out the checkbox for "Open still image sequence".

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