Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Bob Ford, Jul 16, 2009.

  1. Bob Ford

    Bob Ford Guest

    I suppose there is nothing we can do about these assholes but they
    have literally taken over this newsgroup.

    I only read 2 other groups on a regular basis and they don't seem to
    get as much of this crap as this group does.

    Shame because this used to be a place where valuable info was shared.
    Bob Ford
    Images In Motion
    Bob Ford, Jul 16, 2009
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    David McCall Guest

    Spam has increased, but it looks even worse when nobody is asking questions
    or providing useful information. Most of the time it's safe to just hit the
    "mark all"
    button when you visit these days.

    I find the Spam annoying too, but not that hard to ignore. I just read what
    of interest to me then hit the "mark all" button on the way out.

    The only way around it is to change the group to a moderated format, but
    someone has to read every post and declare it worthy before we can see it.
    In some situations it might work out, but much of the time we need to get
    answers as quick as possible and having a moderator in the way would be
    a problem, especially if the moderator is sleeping or on vacation. I wonder
    if there is a way to declare a visitor to be "acceptable" after a post being
    approved. That way each visitor gets checked once and approved or
    declared Spam. Spam would just be deleted, and the rest of life could
    continue just as it is now but without the Spam. A first time visitor might
    have to wait a bit for the moderator to get around to checking the post.

    David McCall, Jul 16, 2009
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    ushere Guest

    well. judging from some of my clients attitudes, and certainly from even
    more of my students, there's nothing left to ask about. they know it
    all. heck, they've got windows movie maker or imovie, what more do they
    need? and if they want examples of bad video, youtube, et al, they have
    plenty of examples. unfortunately, it seems youtube etc., now sets the bar
    for quality, and it's so abismally low, almost anything they produce
    looks like a silk purse in comparison. the problem lies in explaining to
    them that their little 'masterpiece', is little better...
    ushere, Jul 16, 2009
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    I see very little spam here. Perhaps you need to tweak yur spam filters.
    Larry in AZ, Jul 16, 2009
  5. "Bob Ford" wrote...
    This newsgroup has very little spam. The notion that they have "taken
    over" this newsgroup is completely without evidence. And what little
    spam there is here can be quickly identified from the subject line and
    just passed over and ignored. Repeat offenders get plonked.

    I read other newsgroups where there are multiple spam messages
    every day. That is most certainly NOT the case here on r.v.p I can
    count the number of spam messages in a week on my fingers.

    Mr. Ford, you are either hyper-sensitive or else you aren't filtering
    out the obvious repeat offendors.
    Richard Crowley, Jul 16, 2009
  6. Dunno what you guys are seeing, but I have seen very little spam
    on this newsgroup in the last several months.
    There is a moderated video newsgroup Or I should say that there *was* r.v.p because of the problem of
    arranging for competent and timely coverage. That newsgroup is
    now dead (along with hundreds of other moderated newsgroups).
    We do not have sufficient resources or interest here to switch to
    a moderated newsgroup. It is not a practical option IMHO.

    There are plenty of web-based forums for discussion of specialty
    topics (such as,, etc.) I am more frequently
    visiting those newsgroups simply because they concentrate discussion
    of specific topics in a way that would be impossible here. But that
    doesn't change the fact that web-based discussion forums are all
    horrible compared to the most basic newsreader client.
    Richard Crowley, Jul 16, 2009
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    Mike Kujbida Guest

    Or he's reading it online at where there's a
    horrendous amount of it :-(

    Mike Kujbida, Jul 16, 2009
  8. I have ZERO sympathy for people who read this (or any other
    newsgroup) on Google Groups. Google is the SOURCE of the
    spam and ENABLER of the spammers. People who use Google
    deserve what they get.
    Richard Crowley, Jul 16, 2009
  9. Youtube & quality in one sentence :))


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    Martin Heffels, Jul 17, 2009
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    Matt Guest

    I just switched to a free news server (thank you bellsouth/AT&T for
    canceling newsgroup access)and it seems to have blocked all spam in this least so far..
    Matt, Jul 29, 2009
  11. "Bob A" wrote ...
    Those of us who remember what Usenet was like before Google
    (and before AOL) have little tolerance for the entities that are
    systematicaly destroying it. No apology. Wake up and smell the
    coffee grounds.
    People who use Google Groups are insulting themselves. They
    need no aditional help from me.

    Your "digest" is some sort of local phenomenon that you have
    arranged with whomever is sending out the "digest". Usenet has
    nothing to do with email. If you want your digest provider to do
    some filtering you will have to deal with them about that. If it is
    Google, then good luck. Might as well start looking for some
    more responsible (and responsive) provider right now.

    You can't filter email digests AFTER they have been compiled
    and sent out. They have to have been filtered by the people
    who are assembling the digest. If you are talking about Google,
    then I can only repeat that Google IS THE SOURCE OF THE
    SPAM which you are complaining about. So the farther away
    from Google you can get, the less spam you will have to deal
    with. Simple as that. Denial doesn't seem very effective.

    I didn't cause the mess, I'm only reporting on it. People who
    use Google Groups are actually ENABLING the spam, so no
    apoligies there, either. You chose to deal with Google and you
    must deal with the consequences of your decision. Complaining
    about spam in Google Groups is futile and makes you look
    silly and/or helpless.

    Now if you want to use a real newsreader (dozens available for
    free) and a real news server (again many available for free), then
    we can share filtering techniques. Nobody who uses a real news-
    reader client prefers any kind of web-based or email-based forum.
    Compared to a real newsreader, everything else is user-vicious
    and much slower.

    Filtering techniques don't work for 3rd-party generated email
    digests. And anything to do with Google is like drinking from
    the sewer. Spam Central. Just Say No.
    Richard Crowley, Jul 30, 2009
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