Splitting captured DV file

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Beemer, Aug 24, 2006.

  1. Beemer

    Beemer Guest

    Is there any product which can split a file I captured into Adobe Premiere
    Pro 1.5?

    I don't care if I lose all audio as its in French.

    (Just trying to avoid a 2 hour export process)

    Beemer
     
    Beemer, Aug 24, 2006
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  2. Beemer

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Captured or imported? If captured why don't you simply use your
    camcorder to split? If imported - what format?
     
    Tony Morgan, Aug 24, 2006
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  3. Beemer

    Beemer Guest

    | In message <DIgHg.8081$>, Beemer
    | >Is there any product which can split a file I captured into Adobe
    Premiere
    | >Pro 1.5?
    | >
    | Captured or imported? If captured why don't you simply use your
    | camcorder to split? If imported - what format?
    |
    | --
    | Tony Morgan

    Tony,

    VHS captures using my Miglia Director's Cut hardware Scart to IEE1394. Avi
    files made by Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 and rendered.

    The tapes overun because I capture when I'm not using the computer so fewer
    dropped frames. Unfortunately this can result in a few extra hours of blank
    data and the swollen file size maybe 40 GB is a problem. If I captured
    when I'm using the computer even on my AMD64 +4000, 2G memory, 250G disk I
    get dropped frames, I guess because I'm constantly opening/closing several
    high-end software applications.

    I know the score re dedicated hardware but I'm not in a position to spend
    more at this time.

    Beemer
     
    Beemer, Aug 24, 2006
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  4. Beemer

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Beemer, you're still not telling us what format.
    Neither SCART nor IEE1394 are video formats.
    AVI is not a video format in itself. (Again) I'm guessing that these are
    DV AVIs?
    Rendered to what format? MPEG-1? MPEG-2? WMF? MPEG-4 (DivX)? AFAIK there
    is no application that will split more than one format. Hence my
    question "what format?"
    Though I haven't worked out just at what stage you want to split (which
    was also what prompted my questions), I'd suggest that you split within
    Premiere. Doing it that way is non-destructive (to the original), and if
    you render to the same format as the input format, it can be done quite
    quickly since there is no "rendering" involved.

    If however you're looking to output to any of the usual formats, then
    you won't be spending more time (machine-time or man-hours) than you
    must currently expending.
    AFAICS there's no need for any hardware (other than what you already
    have).

    Perhaps this all sounds a bit negative, but to be positive I'd suggest
    that you import into Premiere overnight, then split the sections off
    that you want, For the two halves, move one half onto one layer (1), the
    other onto another layer (2), and delete the blank video (that you
    mention). Hide layer 2 and render layer 1, then hide layer 1 and render
    layer 2. The Each of the two render operations can be done overnight,
    so that your normal application activities have no impact.
     
    Tony Morgan, Aug 24, 2006
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  5. Beemer

    Beemer Guest

    | In message <S6mHg.8255$>, Beemer
    | >
    | >| >| In message <DIgHg.8081$>, Beemer
    | >| >Is there any product which can split a file I captured into Adobe
    | >Premiere
    | >| >Pro 1.5?
    | >| >
    | >| Captured or imported? If captured why don't you simply use your
    | >| camcorder to split? If imported - what format?
    | >|
    | >| --
    | >| Tony Morgan
    | >
    | >Tony,
    | >
    | Beemer, you're still not telling us what format.
    |
    | >VHS captures using my Miglia Director's Cut hardware Scart to IEE1394.
    |
    | Neither SCART nor IEE1394 are video formats.
    |
    | > Avi
    | >files
    |
    | AVI is not a video format in itself. (Again) I'm guessing that these are
    | DV AVIs?
    |
    | >made by Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 and rendered.
    | >
    | Rendered to what format? MPEG-1? MPEG-2? WMF? MPEG-4 (DivX)? AFAIK there
    | is no application that will split more than one format. Hence my
    | question "what format?"
    |
    | >The tapes overun because I capture when I'm not using the computer so
    fewer
    | >dropped frames. Unfortunately this can result in a few extra hours of
    blank
    | >data and the swollen file size maybe 40 GB is a problem. If I captured
    | >when I'm using the computer even on my AMD64 +4000, 2G memory, 250G disk
    I
    | >get dropped frames, I guess because I'm constantly opening/closing
    several
    | >high-end software applications.
    | >
    | Though I haven't worked out just at what stage you want to split (which
    | was also what prompted my questions), I'd suggest that you split within
    | Premiere. Doing it that way is non-destructive (to the original), and if
    | you render to the same format as the input format, it can be done quite
    | quickly since there is no "rendering" involved.
    |
    | If however you're looking to output to any of the usual formats, then
    | you won't be spending more time (machine-time or man-hours) than you
    | must currently expending.
    |
    | >I know the score re dedicated hardware but I'm not in a position to spend
    | >more at this time.
    |
    | AFAICS there's no need for any hardware (other than what you already
    | have).
    |
    | Perhaps this all sounds a bit negative, but to be positive I'd suggest
    | that you import into Premiere overnight, then split the sections off
    | that you want, For the two halves, move one half onto one layer (1), the
    | other onto another layer (2), and delete the blank video (that you
    | mention). Hide layer 2 and render layer 1, then hide layer 1 and render
    | layer 2. The Each of the two render operations can be done overnight,
    | so that your normal application activities have no impact.
    |
    |
    | --
    | Tony Morgan

    Tony,

    The Miglia Director's Cut hardware is an analog/DV convertor. I'm putting
    my vhs videos on DVD MPEG2. For no menus I can use PP export to DVD.

    All I wanted to do was cut the significant blank part of the files after the
    vhs tape ended so that I could keep several smaller files on my computer
    before export/burn. Otherwise I have to work on each in sequence. As you
    will have guessed I'm a video newbie.

    Beemer
     
    Beemer, Aug 25, 2006
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  6. Oh he guessed it alright, about a nanosecond before he started looking down
    his nose and patronising you like a small child.

    But that's typical Tony Morgan for you I'm afraid, he tries to "help" but it
    always comes with a huge price-tag attached and he just CAN'T resist being
    as condescending as possible to people who aren't soulless pathetic
    camcorder geeks like him!

    Sadly you stumbled across one of Usenet's most prolific arseholes, try not
    to take it personally as he is like this with mankind in general and was
    born without any interpersonal communication skills whatsoever. I'm sure
    you won't be back just like so many newcomers who stumble in here looking
    for a bit of friendly advice and receive a dose of Morgan's bile for their
    trouble.

    I'm sure I will now receive *my* dose of said bile as well, Tony is nothing
    if not predictable! :)
     
    fergie's left nip, Aug 25, 2006
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  7. Beemer

    G Hardy Guest

    Export from where?

    My understanding is that Premiere needs DV type 2 files (someone correct me
    if I'm wrong - I don't use it).

    If your Miglia hardware produces DV type 1 - which is extremely likely -
    then this may be an issue.

    When you say "split" do you mean "split off the audio" or "split off the
    excess from the end"?

    Either way - I think you're going to struggle with the two hour thing.

    A DV stream (of either type) has an audio component even if it's muted, so
    there's no point doing that process at all. If you want to strip off the
    audio, just put the captured audio onto the Premiere timeline and mute the
    associated audio track. Use the other audio tracks to add new audio before
    outputting the DV.

    If you want to split the dross from the end of the file, there's no way to
    do it (that I'm aware of) without reading the source DV AVI and writing out
    the bit you want to keep. If you've captured 40GB and want to keep a couple
    of hours (26GB) you'll need 66GB of free disc space.

    You can speed up the process by adding a second internal hard drive, which
    receives the second AVI, as long as it's on a different IDE channel. (If
    you're on SATA, someone else will have to let you know a) if this technique
    works and b) how to set it up.) I use Mediastudio Pro and typically get
    two-thirds realtime smartrenders* to the same drive. That is to say if I'm
    outputting a one hour DV AVI from DV AVI source files on the same drive, it
    takes about 40 minutes. If the source files are on my secondary master** IDE
    drive (D:) and I save the output to the primary slave** drive that one-hour
    file takes seven minutes to save.

    * Smartrender is the MSP terminology for duplicating the audio/video stream
    direct from the source, if it's not changed by filters or whatever, meaning
    there's no change in quality.
    ** I understand that it's not politically correct to call them "master" and
    "slave" any more, but in this group, who cares? Political correctness was
    laughed out of here a long time ago, as you can see from Fergie's post.
     
    G Hardy, Aug 25, 2006
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  8. Beemer

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <bBxHg.8465$>, Beemer
    Now we're cooking :)

    As you have now identified your format as DVD MPEG-2, you should be able
    to use DVTool from here:
    http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd_tools/dv-tool.cfm

    There's further options using other software here:
    http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/edit/editmpeg/removecommercials.htm#v
    ideoredo
     
    Tony Morgan, Aug 25, 2006
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  9. Beemer

    Grumps Guest

    Beemer wrote:
    Bloody hell! As another video newbie I couldn't justify Permiere Pro so went
    with Elements. Unless of course...
     
    Grumps, Aug 25, 2006
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  10. Beemer

    Tony Morgan Guest

    I'm afraid Beemer, you have here with Fergie, encountered one of those
    who NEVER contributes anything remotely constructive, but fall into the
    "troll" category by stirring up the shit for those who ARE prepared to
    offer constructive advice.

    I'm sure that by now you (as well as others except trolls like Fergie)
    will appreciate that constructive advice about a particular problem or
    issue can't be given UNTIL the problem or issue has been properly
    identified - which in this case is the video format in question. Each of
    the many video formats will usually require a different item of software
    to split as you require.

    As for Fergie - why don't you find another newsgroup where your failure
    to contribute constructive advice would be more appropriate.

    God - I do hate idiots like you who contribute NOTHING but angst.
    These people are often identified by a spoof anonymous e-mail address
    like Fergie uses.
     
    Tony Morgan, Aug 25, 2006
    #10
  11. Beemer

    Beemer Guest

    Tony,

    Thanks, I have downloaded so will try out later.

    Beemer

    | In message <bBxHg.8465$>, Beemer
    | Snipped....
    |
    | >The Miglia Director's Cut hardware is an analog/DV convertor. I'm
    putting
    | >my vhs videos on DVD MPEG2. For no menus I can use PP export to DVD.
    | >
    | >All I wanted to do was cut the significant blank part of the files after
    the
    | >vhs tape ended so that I could keep several smaller files on my computer
    | >before export/burn. Otherwise I have to work on each in sequence. As
    you
    | >will have guessed I'm a video newbie.
    |
    | Now we're cooking :)
    |
    | As you have now identified your format as DVD MPEG-2, you should be able
    | to use DVTool from here:
    | http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd_tools/dv-tool.cfm
    |
    | There's further options using other software here:
    | http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/edit/editmpeg/removecommercials.htm#v
    | ideoredo
    |
    | --
    | Tony Morgan
     
    Beemer, Aug 25, 2006
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  12. Beemer

    Beemer Guest

    | | > Is there any product which can split a file I captured into Adobe
    Premiere
    | > Pro 1.5?
    | >
    | > I don't care if I lose all audio as its in French.
    | >
    | > (Just trying to avoid a 2 hour export process)
    |
    | Export from where?
    |
    | My understanding is that Premiere needs DV type 2 files (someone correct
    me
    | if I'm wrong - I don't use it).
    |
    | If your Miglia hardware produces DV type 1 - which is extremely likely -
    | then this may be an issue.
    |
    | When you say "split" do you mean "split off the audio" or "split off the
    | excess from the end"?
    |
    | Either way - I think you're going to struggle with the two hour thing.
    |
    | A DV stream (of either type) has an audio component even if it's muted, so
    | there's no point doing that process at all. If you want to strip off the
    | audio, just put the captured audio onto the Premiere timeline and mute the
    | associated audio track. Use the other audio tracks to add new audio before
    | outputting the DV.
    |
    | If you want to split the dross from the end of the file, there's no way to
    | do it (that I'm aware of) without reading the source DV AVI and writing
    out
    | the bit you want to keep. If you've captured 40GB and want to keep a
    couple
    | of hours (26GB) you'll need 66GB of free disc space.
    |
    | You can speed up the process by adding a second internal hard drive, which
    | receives the second AVI, as long as it's on a different IDE channel. (If
    | you're on SATA, someone else will have to let you know a) if this
    technique
    | works and b) how to set it up.) I use Mediastudio Pro and typically get
    | two-thirds realtime smartrenders* to the same drive. That is to say if I'm
    | outputting a one hour DV AVI from DV AVI source files on the same drive,
    it
    | takes about 40 minutes. If the source files are on my secondary master**
    IDE
    | drive (D:) and I save the output to the primary slave** drive that
    one-hour
    | file takes seven minutes to save.
    |
    | * Smartrender is the MSP terminology for duplicating the audio/video
    stream
    | direct from the source, if it's not changed by filters or whatever,
    meaning
    | there's no change in quality.
    | ** I understand that it's not politically correct to call them "master"
    and
    | "slave" any more, but in this group, who cares? Political correctness was
    | laughed out of here a long time ago, as you can see from Fergie's post.
    |
    |
    Loads of interesting info for me to digest in your reply. I will digest
    shortly.

    Yes its chopping of the end and I do have two 250GB SATA

    Beemer
     
    Beemer, Aug 25, 2006
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  13. Beemer

    G Hardy Guest

    |
    OK - if you're going to DVD format direct from the Premiere timeline, you
    can write it to the same drive as the source files because you'll be putting
    down much less data. The encode time for DVD will swamp the extra caused by
    writing this small amount to MPEG-2 format.

    If you're going to use an external encoder on an intermediate DV AVI (which
    is what I do) using two separate drives for source and edit will make the
    process quicker. You then encode the DVD-compliant MPEG to the same drive as
    your source files for the same reason. It might not make a difference for
    SATA (as I don't know the technology) but with IDE drives, using separate
    IDE channels means that you're not getting (much) data travelling BOTH ways
    on the same cable.
     
    G Hardy, Aug 25, 2006
    #13
  14. Beemer

    Beemer Guest

    | |
    ||
    | > Loads of interesting info for me to digest in your reply. I will digest
    | > shortly.
    | >
    | > Yes its chopping of the end and I do have two 250GB SATA
    |
    | OK - if you're going to DVD format direct from the Premiere timeline, you
    | can write it to the same drive as the source files because you'll be
    putting
    | down much less data. The encode time for DVD will swamp the extra caused
    by
    | writing this small amount to MPEG-2 format.
    |
    | If you're going to use an external encoder on an intermediate DV AVI
    (which
    | is what I do) using two separate drives for source and edit will make the
    | process quicker. You then encode the DVD-compliant MPEG to the same drive
    as
    | your source files for the same reason. It might not make a difference for
    | SATA (as I don't know the technology) but with IDE drives, using separate
    | IDE channels means that you're not getting (much) data travelling BOTH
    ways
    | on the same cable.
    |
    |
    When you said external encoder do you mean e.g. Canopus Pro or did you mean
    an external hardware encoder?

    Beemer
     
    Beemer, Aug 26, 2006
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  15. Beemer

    G Hardy Guest

    Either.

    I actually meant TMPGenc or (my favourite) CinemaCraft basic.
     
    G Hardy, Aug 26, 2006
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