SPRING STORMS LOVE THE 20D !!!

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Annika1980, May 7, 2006.

  1. Annika1980

    Annika1980 Guest

    Well sports fans, a stormy Sunday today..... not a nice day to be out
    taking pics.
    So I stayed home instead practicing macro shots and recording the
    thunder on my minidisc recorder. During the storm I got this pic:

    http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/59804651/original
     
    Annika1980, May 7, 2006
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  2. Oh crap, now they have learned to build houses. There goes the neighborhood!
    Next there will be hippies living in tents, buses and wood framed cardboard
    shacks "visiting" them.
     
    Rusty Shakleford, May 7, 2006
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    uw wayne Guest

    Terrific! The drops of water complete the composition.Look out Frans
    Lanting, her comes Brett.
     
    uw wayne, May 8, 2006
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Yep, good shot.
     
    Paul Furman, May 8, 2006
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    Draco Guest

    Nice photoshop pic.

    Just kidding. Love the shot Bret.

    Draco



    Getting even isn't good enough.
     
    Draco, May 8, 2006
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    Matt Clara Guest


    Really? I thought it uninspiring and trite; further, if he hadn't told us
    it was storming, the few blurry drops hardly convey that message themselves.
    So, tell me how it is that Bret posts snapshots of squirrels, and it's all
    "love the shot" from you and his other fans, but Daniel Roscha gets out in
    the streets of Paris to show us both the people and the beauty of the city,
    and it's all criticism from you and Bret? Not that you aren't nice about
    it, you are, but it's rewarding pedantry while criticising real art (art of
    what merit I'll let others decide, but Daniel certainly is an artist). This
    place is getting to be like American Idol, where a real genius like Bob
    Dylan wouldn't last five minutes.
    No offense to Bret intended, as he is a great snapshot technologist. ;-)
     
    Matt Clara, May 8, 2006
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Daniel doesn't discuss anything with anyone else here so that's kind of
    a different case. Kind of makes me reluctant to comment at all. Brett
    does get reamed as well.
     
    Paul Furman, May 8, 2006
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    Annika1980 Guest

    So, tell me how it is that Bret posts snapshots of squirrels, and it's all
    Taking drab B&W pics of ugly Parisians is like shooting fish in a
    barrel. How many times are you going to see a squirrel looking out of
    a birdhouse in the rain? FWIW, it took me about 10 shots to time the
    drops and get them in the shot. Didn't even have to do the Photoshop
    thing.

    Nothing against Rocha, but I don't see much of anything artistic in his
    pics other than he does them all in B&W and tries to make some of them
    artsy looking by blurring the people. I think most of what he posts is
    crap, just like you think what I do is crap. All depends on what you
    like, I guess.
    Tell you what ... I'll submit a [SI] mandate called "Rocha" where we
    all go and shoot blurry B&W city shots. I'm sure we can all do as well
    as he does. Shooting drab B&W takes no talent. Just convert to B&W,
    stomp out all the shadow detail, throw in a little Gaussian Blur and
    you're all set. Then all you need is a french cap and a cigarette
    holder and VOILA! .... you're a fuckin art-eeest!
     
    Annika1980, May 8, 2006
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    Joseph Kewfi Guest

    Nothing against Rocha, but I don't see much of anything artistic in his
    It's all in the eye, you either got the eye or you don't.

     
    Joseph Kewfi, May 8, 2006
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    Matt Clara Guest

    I think you're quite good at what you do, and I don't think it's all
    "crap"--some of them I like quite a bit. But speaking of shooting fish in a
    barrel, have you been to the aquarium lately? ;-)
     
    Matt Clara, May 8, 2006
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    Annika1980 Guest

    I think you're quite good at what you do, and I don't think it's all
    Touché.

    Shooting in an aquarium or a zoo is almost like cheating.
    I certainly don't get the satisfaction from a jellyfish or a butterfly
    pic taken under controlled conditions that I do from say a pic of an
    eagle in the wild.
    Squirrels, too.

    But you know what's really tough? Macro shots.
    You've got to really work to get decent macro shots of tiny bugs at
    greater than 1x. It's hard enough getting the lens within an inch or so
    of your subject, and then by the time you get it focused they're gone!
    It's about like shooting a mosquito in flight with a 400mm lens.
    I do have a few macro shots of fireflies ("lightning bugs") in flight.
    Try THAT some night!
     
    Annika1980, May 8, 2006
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    Annika1980 Guest

    It's all in the eye, you either got the eye or you don't.

    I admit to having a bias against B&W, even though I've shot some myself
    and have even received favorable comments from people about some of my
    B&W shots. There are shots that lend themselves to B&W, but I don't
    buy into the notion that because a pic is in B&W it is somehow more
    "artistic" than a color shot. Having said that, I probably should try
    to do more B&W work, even if it means giving up one of the world's
    beauties .... color.

    My personal litmus test for any photograph is, "Does this pic make me
    want to look at it for more than 5 seconds? And would I ever want to
    see it again after today?"

    I cringe when I look at some of the pics I took only a few years ago.
    I know I'm not "there" yet, but I'm gaining on it.
    And while it is impossible to ever get "there," as long as one is
    improving the quest is worthwhile.
     
    Annika1980, May 8, 2006
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    Draco Guest

    Matt Clara wrote:
    "...I thought it uninspiring and trite;..."

    I'm sorry that you feel it is uninspiring. It reminds
    us that most creature seek shelter from storms.

    "...if he hadn't told us it was storming,
    the few blurry drops hardly convey that message..."

    True but, the wet and soggy roof does. Besides why
    would a river of water convay the same as the
    drenched roof? The image says, "Is it over, Yet?"


    "...Daniel Roscha gets out in the streets of Paris to
    show us both the people and the beauty of the city..."

    Very true. As an artist Daniel's images are quite
    unique and sometimes disturbing. As a photojournalist
    he still has a litle way to go. Not far but a ways yet.
    I keep giving pointers to Daniel and not rip apart
    his work as others. I want him to improve. I want Daniel
    Roscha to become great. I respect his work and his
    commitment to getting in the streets and getting
    that decisive moment.

    "... but it's rewarding pedantry while criticising real art ..."

    No. It is giving my opinion and I happen to like
    warm and fuzzy pictures. Even if it is of a tree rat.
    'Real art' is not for one person to decide nor try
    and squash anothers views. My views of some
    photographic art are quite differant from others.
    That is fine with me. I can appreciate the work
    and skill that goes into an image. Does that
    mean I will love it and berate anyone else who
    disagrees with me? Nope. It only matters if
    I am trying to sell or impress someone else.
    If someone disagrees I will try and find out why.
    If I can't change their mind or see their side. I
    just agree to disagree. No biggie.

    "...No offense to Bret intended, as he is a great snapshot
    technologist. ;-) "

    I think is a bit more than just a "snapshot technologist".
    He has a very good and talented eye for seeing
    the image. I admire his ability to capture the
    beauty that is around us. To be able to capture
    the moment and show exactly what he is looking
    in the jumble of colors and shapes.

    I have to admitt Matt that I have not gone onto
    your web site and looked at your images. But,
    I will now.


    Draco


    Getting even isn't good enough.
     
    Draco, May 8, 2006
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    Randy Howard Guest

    Annika1980 wrote
    (in article
    Indeed they are.
    I also find that more often than not while doing it, I wish I
    was 4 or 5 feet shorter. :)
    That would be a neat trick. Talk to Moose Peterson. Oh wait,
    he shoots Nikon, nevermind.
    Hmmm, don't get many of those around here, but it would be fun
    to try. I'm wondering how you got a MACRO shot of a firefly in
    flight though. Can you also fly around behind them to achieve
    that, or was there LSD involved?
     
    Randy Howard, May 8, 2006
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Agreed.
     
    Paul Furman, May 8, 2006
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    Matt Clara Guest

    http://www.shuttercity.com/ShowPhoto.cfm?PhotoID=104762
    It's imperfect (only my second time out in the field with the Shen-Hao
    4x5), but it's "art"--I know, an artist called me up and told me so! I
    liked the area so much, I went back out and shot it all again on
    medium-format velvia 50. Love them rich greens! The flowers
    themselves are white, so lend themselves quite well to b&w.

    And yeah, I'm envious of your macro shots. I think I could do well at
    it, too, if I had that lens. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's still
    difficult. I have been struggling with a Nikon bellows and different
    lenses, and come to learn you just can't beat a lens optimized for
    macro work, where macro work is concerned.
     
    Matt Clara, May 9, 2006
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    Matt Clara Guest

    We'll have to agree to disagree--I didn't study the image, but the wet
    roof didn't jump out at me, either.
    I guess your never ending perfect 10s for Bret just got under my skin.
    In fact, I think you are Bret...just kidding, I don't really think
    that. He'd give himself 20s, for the 20D.

    Sorry if I have now rubbed you the wrong way--I just wanted to make a
    point, and not deter or bully you.
    I agree, I overplayed it (deliberately), but Bret seems to be after
    something other than "art", if you will, and perhaps I'm biased against
    that. He is technically a very good photographer, but he's more
    interested in the gag than the pursuit of beauty as is the traditional
    artist's want.
    That's what they're there for. You got any online a guy could get a
    look at? Not looking to compare egos, or anything.
     
    Matt Clara, May 9, 2006
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    Annika1980 Guest

    I'm interested in the picture first. The gag comes later.

    I tend to gravitate to photography that challenges me. That's why I
    prefer sports, pets, macros, birds and wildlife over something like
    portraiture, still life, or landscapes. I figure when I get good enough
    to be able to capture moving or flying animals in the wild then maybe
    I'll move up to something really tough: Weddings.

    Street photography isn't that challenging to me since there are so many
    interesting subjects everywhere. I'll go up on the mountain and wait
    for hours trying to get a decent pic of an eagle in flight. Most times
    it's a wasted trip, but every once in a great while I'll get something
    useful. And that's what makes it fun. More times than not, I'll go
    out to shoot one thing and come home with a photo of something entirely
    different. You just gotta look and listen. Oh yeah, and always have
    that camera at the ready.
    I prefer the 20D.
     
    Annika1980, May 9, 2006
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  19. There are some things that B&W seems to be very good for. I like portraits
    done in B&W. Somehow, color seems to distract from the features of the
    individual. Also, there are some scenes that have little or no color in them
    anyway....Winter scenes, for example. Here, B&W does the job fine. Some
    architectural shots are just as well done in B&W. There is little color in
    many buildings, unless they are Chinese temples........
     
    William Graham, May 9, 2006
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