Stolen... Styall. (Norcliffe Chapel car park) Saturday

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Andy t, Jul 27, 2003.

  1. Andy t

    Mr Blue Skye Guest

    crack an all.
     
    Mr Blue Skye, Jul 28, 2003
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    AnthonyR Guest

    David,
    I don't believe this, because people who are honest and clean(no
    dependencies on drugs or alcohol can apply for assistance for food and
    shelter. It's drug users who get the assistance and need the extra income to
    get high, which the state don't cover that usually resort to crime.
    Addicts can rob from relatives without ever thinking twice, were they would
    just ask the relatives if it was only for food and shelter.
    That's my opinion, do you know of any career criminals who rob as a living,
    personally to back up your claim?

    AnthonyR.
     
    AnthonyR, Jul 28, 2003
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    AnthonyR Guest

    Obviously you are justifying burglary over having to spend your last $2000
    before qualifying for assistance.

    If you actually listen to that statement it just sounds greedy and selfish.
    Like you want to maintain some level of financial security and still qualify
    for assistance.
    That isn't how it works, assistance should be only for those who used up
    every last penny and have no other resources to make it on their own.
    I guess you don't agree with that?

    In that case prison, should be a factor to consider.

    But at least there, you get 3 squares and a bed. :)
    No more bills either.

    AnthonyR.
     
    AnthonyR, Jul 28, 2003
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    AnthonyR Guest

    Wait a minute, the more I think about this, the worse it sounds.
    You mean its ok to steal as long as its only for essentials?

    I don't think as a society, we accept that either.

    If people had a choice, hmmm, stand on a street corner all day selling hot
    dogs for 12 hours or break-in a few cars and maybe a house or two for 2
    hours and earn the same money, they would choose to work 10 hours more?
    Of course not, people are lazy!
    They choose to work for 12 hours instead of the easy money cause if they get
    caught they go to prison. That's what keeps that from becoming a lucrative
    occupation.
    Where there is a will there is a way.
    Crime shouldn't pay for any circumstance.

    Just my 2 cents-

    AnthonyR.
     
    AnthonyR, Jul 28, 2003
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    It wasn't a Trebant was it?
    You sure it was the same Trebant?

    :)
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 28, 2003
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    lpp Guest

    So you require someone to actually sink beneath the water before
    you'll consider rescuing him?
     
    lpp, Jul 28, 2003
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    David McCall Guest

    No, I'm not justifying burglary. I'm only saying that there are people that would.
    Some people are just not ready to go from having a decent income, and being
    able to support their family, all the way down to moving them into a shelter.
    I am just enough of a realist to realize that some people get pretty desparate.
    Maybe It is greedy and selfish, but above all. I'm just thankful that I don't
    have to make that choice. What do you do between the time you sell off
    ALL of your possessions, lost the house and car to the bank, then spent
    it all the last dollar, and the time you get through the paperwork to get
    your $500 a month plus food stamps. I know the OP is in the UK, and
    hopfully they are more generous than we are.
    Yes and no. In the US, it is a trap. The one thing about being destitute,
    or an illegal alien, is that you get full health care, in addition to your pittance.
    If you try to pull yourself back up, by getting a minimum wage job, you loos
    all support. The income for a minimum wage job will not support a family,
    even with both parents working, and it certainly won't cover health care.
    In this country, the destitute get better health care than people that are
    working, but can't afford $500 a month, or so, for health insurance.

    In the UK you have free health care for all, you just have to wait in line
    longer, or at least that is my understanding. That is a good thing. I think
    whatever the government is willing to give away to anybody should be
    available to everybody. You shouldn't have to be destitute to get help.
    Yeah, perhaps we should lock up the whole family :)

    We, you and I, are not destitute. You don't get access to news groups
    when you are in that way. Perhaps you don't even know any people in
    that condition.

    As for the criminals being drug abusers, I'll agree that a lot of them are.
    Mostly alcohol, but other drugs too. In many cases it was their use of
    alcohol and other lesser drugs that has put them in this position to
    begin with.

    David
     
    David McCall, Jul 28, 2003
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    lpp Guest

    Glad I live here, then.
     
    lpp, Jul 28, 2003
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    AnthonyR Guest

    Well then we can agree with that. and while there is probably no perfect
    system anywhere in the world, sometimes if people put as much thought and
    energy in finding a better job as they do some other things they would do
    better.
    But people aren't always motivated.
    An addiction however keeps people constantly motivated in getting the next
    fix.

    Personally I believe, drugs should be legalized as is alcohol. For the
    simple reason, people will steal less to buy them if they are cheaper, taxes
    will go to pay for substance abuse programs and housing for those addicted.
    And with less money going into drug dealers' pockets perhaps they would be
    motivated to learn, stay in school and get better jobs and become more
    productive members of society rather than destructive members.
    But nothing can change over night, and people are too afraid that everyone
    will suddenly become drug addicts if they were legal. LOL, Like anyone
    couldn't buy what they wanted now?
    Or that it will send the wrong message. Maybe it would send the message, be
    more responsible for things you do in your life and stop waiting for someone
    else to tell you what is right or wrong.
    The government shouldn't replace or parents when we grow up. By then we
    should be adults and have self control and now what is good or bad for us.
    Ah but all this discussing won't change a thing, so thanks for exchanging
    thoughts anyway, David.

    AnthonyR.
     
    AnthonyR, Jul 28, 2003
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    T P Guest

    Yes. Home Office statistics show that between 55% and 70% of
    burglaries and theft from vehicles are linked to drugs. The
    percentage varies according to the region of England.
     
    T P, Jul 28, 2003
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    nappy Guest

    Probably just an editor out of work
     
    nappy, Jul 29, 2003
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    Fleetie Guest

    "Paul Peacock"
    With spelling, grammar and punctuation like that? **** me!
    I am speechless.
     
    Fleetie, Jul 29, 2003
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Bloody hell.... Don't tell the estate agents ...
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 29, 2003
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